MAFIA 78: Random Facts [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

also saying that the roleblockee should claim does not mean every idiot in the game starts spouting off that they werent roleblocked.

mafia already knows you werent roleblocked and we only care about someone who was potentially roleblocked

Joke's on you, I'm not an idiot!

I was not roleblocked.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/r2d ... 0308133635

That's probably an awesome retort, but - joke's on you again, I can't read!

[KoalaAttack]

I understand that. Y'all are just playing this game at such an intensity and pace that i can't keep up. I don't want to just check out, so I'm asking for help so i can participate. I totally understand this sets me up to be manipulated, i guess i can just try to trust that I'll find the truth

I know I'm playing poorly, but don't think i am capable of playing well. So it's either okay poorly or quit, and i don't want to quit

As a fellow newbie (though 2nd game) who also feels they are playing poorly and who was happy to follow Fluminator before they threatened to mark me as Mafia for it, I empathize.

But I have mixed feelings about BK3K's "I totally understand this sets me up to be manipulated" vs say Swordsman who is just not-here-at-all or even lfischl who seems to barely contribute despite being a veteran.

One last open question to the group before I compile my Cleared Townies List – between:

(A) a hypothetical townie who is a lurker,
(B) a hypothetical townie who is checked-out, and
(C) a hypothetical townie who says "give me cliff notes, I take the risk of being manipulated"

How would you stack-rank these 3 in terms of usefulness to Town winning the game vs the danger of a cakewalk for Mafia?

[President Eden]

I understand that. Y'all are just playing this game at such an intensity and pace that i can't keep up. I don't want to just check out, so I'm asking for help so i can participate. I totally understand this sets me up to be manipulated, i guess i can just try to trust that I'll find the truth

I know I'm playing poorly, but don't think i am capable of playing well. So it's either okay poorly or quit, and i don't want to quit

As a fellow newbie (though 2nd game) who also feels they are playing poorly and who was happy to follow Fluminator before they threatened to mark me as Mafia for it, I empathize.

But I have mixed feelings about BK3K's "I totally understand this sets me up to be manipulated" vs say Swordsman who is just not-here-at-all or even lfischl who seems to barely contribute despite being a veteran.

One last open question to the group before I compile my Cleared Townies List – between:

(A) a hypothetical townie who is a lurker,
(B) a hypothetical townie who is checked-out, and
(C) a hypothetical townie who says "give me cliff notes, I take the risk of being manipulated"

How would you stack-rank these 3 in terms of usefulness to Town winning the game vs the danger of a cakewalk for Mafia?

trying > not trying

(C) ~= (A) >> (B)

[BK3K]

I know I'm playing poorly, but don't think i am capable of playing well. So it's either okay poorly or quit, and i don't want to quit

As a fellow newbie (though 2nd game) who also feels they are playing poorly and who was happy to follow Fluminator before they threatened to mark me as Mafia for it, I empathize.

But I have mixed feelings about BK3K's "I totally understand this sets me up to be manipulated" vs say Swordsman who is just not-here-at-all or even lfischl who seems to barely contribute despite being a veteran.

One last open question to the group before I compile my Cleared Townies List – between:

(A) a hypothetical townie who is a lurker,
(B) a hypothetical townie who is checked-out, and
(C) a hypothetical townie who says "give me cliff notes, I take the risk of being manipulated"

How would you stack-rank these 3 in terms of usefulness to Town winning the game vs the danger of a cakewalk for Mafia?

trying > not trying

(C) ~= (A) >> (B)

I'm thinking of voting ghug. Edens arguments make sense to me. He smells fishy to me but makes good points about D1 votes. Brain also voted him and i trust brain the most.

I don't have the effort in me to pull receipts. Every crew needs a wild card anyway

I'm not salty about the exchange. In fact, it's kind of giving me town vibes. Not sure what I'll do the rest of D2 but that's where my head is at.

[Bonatogether]

Y'all really going to send Flum to the God thread to face Jamie when he did you the favor of killing our cop?

is this a scumslip

[President Eden]

ghug is a decent vote.

I'm more confident in my damo argument, but ghug is a decent vote

[Bonatogether]

I wouldn’t be opposed to swordsman either

swordsy is a pure rand vote

[BK3K]

Y'all really going to send Flum to the God thread to face Jamie when he did you the favor of killing our cop?

is this a scumslip

It would be too amatuer

[Bonatogether]

to the tune of twinkle twinkle little star

faintly, a kazoo plays, out of tune

my name is yon yonson

i live in wisconsin

i work in a lumberyard there

and when i walk down the street

the people i meet

they say "what's your name?"

and i say

my name is yon yonson

have… have you ever listened to music before?
are you deprived, child?

i had 74k minutes on spotify wrapped last year, and half of it was baby shark

[Bonatogether]

to the tune of twinkle twinkle little star

faintly, a kazoo plays, out of tune

my name is yon yonson

i live in wisconsin

i work in a lumberyard there

and when i walk down the street

the people i meet

they say "what's your name?"

and i say

my name is yon yonson

Syllables don't fit:

my name is yon yonson I
live in Wisconsin I work
in a lumberyard there and
when I walk down the street the
people that I meet they say
"what's your name" and I say my

Checkmate scum.

Whereas if your name were "scum", it would go:

my name is scum I live in wis-
consin I work in a lumb-
beryard there and when I walk
down the street the people that
I meet they say "what's your name"
and I say my name is scum


Embarrassing scumslip bona.

i prefer the term 'scum glide' to accompany my drip, thank you

[Chaqa]

the person who did the roleblock should claim so we know if they did it

I want you to know I resisted the urge to say it was me

[ghug]

the person who did the roleblock should claim so we know if they did it

I want you to know I resisted the urge to say it was me

I also resisted the urge to say it was Chaqa.

[President Eden]

the person who did the roleblock should claim so we know if they did it

I want you to know I resisted the urge to say it was me

I also resisted the urge to say it was Chaqa.

i'll cop to that

[Chaqa]

I wouldn’t be opposed to swordsman either

swordsy is a pure rand vote

No, he's a prolific writer who is not writing at all. He's suspicious.

[Bonatogether]

You're accusing me of knowing that two specific people would switch back o once he already had several votes again, though. And it doesn't matter either way, because my intent was to keep the Bunny wagon alive and competitive even as I switched to Bona.

spotted this post in a quote (from bonzo)

why *was* the boat man wagon a dead letter at eod? where did the support for it give out (early people ditched before momentum gathered, or were unable to gather momentum, or whatever else?)

Can you say this again in English?

i understand, on a surface level at least, why the wagons that were beefy were, and i understand on a surface level why the people who weren't ever really voted weren't. but i don't understand why boat man looked like he was going to be in the running at eod but then wasn't

[Bonatogether]

spotted this post in a quote (from bonzo)

why *was* the boat man wagon a dead letter at eod? where did the support for it give out (early people ditched before momentum gathered, or were unable to gather momentum, or whatever else?)

Can you say this again in English?

He’s asking why damo didn’t push me when I was an easy counter wagon to save Chaqs

thank you boat man i appreciate you

this is a genuine post, not sarcastic

[Bonatogether]

Last quick hits for a bit.

• If Bona is mafia, then I somewhat doubt all four mafia voted Bunny, but I think the majority did. Probably 3 out of 4. This is somewhat arbitrary (word of the night) but it makes sense to me. Mafia hate all being on the same wagon even if one of their own is on the line.

• If Bona is town, then the mafia had no interest in the final outcome of d1 and probably tried to spread out more. Likely 2 on Bunny 2 off. Again it’s ArBiTrArY but makes sense to me anyway

this post could have come straight from a sewage pipe it's so shit

ok lol

it doesn't add any information

'i'm going to spitball some things on a conditional, with reasons that aren't clear, and results that aren't helpful. but at least it looks nice!'

[Bonatogether]

You realize that this will make mafia want to keep you in the game longer?

did you think before you posted this

Briefly

not coherently

[ghug]

ghug is another one worth discussing.

this is the first point I can find, a little under 3.5hrs out, where ghug clearly spells out his view of the day:

Eliminating people I think are town/new/good, I think I want to kill in the following (in column-major order rather than purely alphabetical):
damo
Bona
Bozo
Boat
lfischl

Could maaaybe be talked into Bunny or Eden.

(It's worth noting that this isn't a preference list, beyond that Bunny and I were lower; ghug was poking fun at damo's alphabetical sorting by finding an arbitrary way to sort his list so that damo was at the top.)

ghug shortly after hones in on Bona:

Shouldn't bona have convinced himself he's caught someone by now?

##VOTE damo666

Boat vs damo vs Bunny (vs lfischl?) is an interesting D1.

Pull an Abraham and kill your son with me

I oblige shortly under 2 hrs out, and the votes don't move for a while, before ghug pulls his vote and votes for damo with 1:20 left, which puts Bona out of the lead and damo on top. It's unexplained (beyond "I'm bored"), but ultimately not too weird, since he has both players in his kill pool.

He then has two completely bizarre vote changes from my perspective, and I'm probably biased in how much I care about them because they sure looked like they were in reaction to me:

00:50 Eden switches Bona -> Chaqa
00:49 ghug switches damo -> Bona
(current count: Chaqa 4, Bona 3, Boat 3, various others 1)

I trusted you with my wagon man. ##VOTE bona

00:22 Eden switches Chaqa -> Bona
00:21 ghug switches Bona -> damo

I'm bored

##VOTE damo

(Note that this was an exact replica of his first post moving to damo.)

so, what, he wants Bona to die, but he doesn't want his hands dirty? but it's super important that I, specifically, be the one to kill him, because the moment I leave - which brings Bona down to 2 votes, but as the count illustrates, still clearly leaves him in contention - he comes back. or maybe more accurately, he's trying to juggle keeping Bona in contention without having to ice Bona himself.

Topping off the weirdness, he finally lands on killing Bunny during the final minute deluge, even though he's seemingly been considerably more interested in killing Bona throughout the final hours of the day.

I'm led to one of two conclusions, both of which lead me to suspect ghug:

1. ghug and Bona are a pair, and ghug was trying to keep his options open to vote Bona if he needed to do so, while ultimately preferring to kill someone else. obviously this makes ghug and Bona mafia if true.
2. ghug just wasn't very invested in how the day went (you'll notice his pool of kills is pretty close to a consensus of the killable names left), and bounced around because ??? reasons. this is highly suggestive of town Bona.

Ok I actually went back and read this because it's apparently resonating with people, and... OK?

I think the best tidbit here is the bit about my list being a bunch of killable names, since that is something I could see scum doing, but that's not even the focus of this argument.

1. is patently absurd. Half-bussing is stupid; either you commit to killing your teammate or you don't work to kill them. Building a wagon against a teammate and then leaving it is lose-lose: either you get your teammate killed without getting credit for it, or they're alive but you're linked to them. It makes no sense.
2. is also absurd. I was very active in getting what I wanted out of the day. I could have done that as scum too, but building a narrative that I was disinterested doesn't fit my pay irrespective of my alignment. I wanted bona on the block, so I got him on the block. I wanted Chaqa and Boat off the block, so I pushed damo as a counterwagon. I thought Bunny was acting suspicious, so I pivoted and made that my counterwagon. The two leading wagons at the end were literally the two wagons I created.

All of the voting is explained by my pushing, successfully, for the wagons I wanted. If my reads were shit, fine, scumread me for it, but all we know so far is that I was wrong about Bunny, which isn't unique to me.

You got anything better?

[Bonatogether]

VCA and more

BK3 - voting all over the place TI, Vote to put Bunny 5-3 NAI, vibes town: TOWNLEAN

Bona - the Bunny vote tying with himself is obviously NAI, didn't care for the spam, seems to be popularly read as town: NULL+

Bozo - voted TFB only: NULL as ever

brain - vote for bunny introduced Bunny to the frame, weakening townvibes: NULL+

Chaqa - avoided voting Bunny NAI, his doubting my sincerity in believing him to be town is from a town pov only serves to increase my assumption he is: TOWN

damo : TOWN

Flum: TOWN

ghug: the late Bunny vote seems entirely inappropriate as scum so gonna go out on a limb and say: TOWN

Koala: his Bunny vote might be a scum ensure the kill vote but his overall demeanour is very town so: TOWNLEAN

lfischl: the ate Bunny vote seems unnecessary (like ghug's) but it is fish so : NULL

PE: Not a lot to glean from votes (yet): NULL

rdr: Only voted TFB, seems very townrdr to me: STRONG TOWNLEAN

sword: virtual no info to go on: NULL

TFB: vote to put Bunny 6-4 up with 2 minutes to go is NAI, tunnel on me ludicrous but for some reason seems to be gaining traction: NULL

Current guess*: fish PE sword TFB

Other possibilities: Bozo brain and just maybe Bona

Amusingly this contains no Bs so maybe 3 plus one of the Others.

also is this the gamesolve VCA? i'm super underwhelmed

I'm down to 35 possible teams. Has anybody suggested less?

who cares about teams

have you caught any scum?