MAFIA 78: Random Facts [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[Bonatogether]

Genuine townslip I believe.

would scum damo try to attach himself to town rdr to drag him down later

seems like a false premise to me. scum damo needs to make observations that justify suspecting some people and not suspecting others. “towntells” are easy outs for that independent of the alignment of the person being read.

mayhaps

[Bonatogether]

Koala's Suspect List 2.0 (for reasons mentioned earlier):

(1) Bona
(2) Chaqa

... big gap ...

(3) Bozo – remains default for being a soulless koala killer, and I will continue to make references to that regardless of any threats or consequences as promised!

so please don't vote for them first so it doesn't look like I'm following you!

---

PS: If I get killed today, please Google photos of koalas and then vote Bozo tomorrow. Being a koala killer is bad. Being a koala serial killer is terrible!

koalers how are you so confident

Oh I am not confident at all – but Fluminator basically told me to not follow them and play based on my own conclusions.

I will be the first to admin that during the last game I had 2 iterations of the suspect list which were completely wrong (including the earlier-mentioned tunnel on worcej who was the Doctor) before finally landing on the correct lfischl accusation who turned out to be Mafia.

Further, based on my limited experience with Mafia so far, I think anyone who claims supreme confidence in their Suspect Lists early on is Suspicious as heck.

is the lack of confidence implied somewhere in your message

[damo666]

VCA and more

BK3 - voting all over the place TI, Vote to put Bunny 5-3 NAI, vibes town: TOWNLEAN

Bona - the Bunny vote tying with himself is obviously NAI, didn't care for the spam, seems to be popularly read as town: NULL+

Bozo - voted TFB only: NULL as ever

brain - vote for bunny introduced Bunny to the frame, weakening townvibes: NULL+

Chaqa - avoided voting Bunny NAI, his doubting my sincerity in believing him to be town is from a town pov only serves to increase my assumption he is: TOWN

damo : TOWN

Flum: TOWN

ghug: the late Bunny vote seems entirely inappropriate as scum so gonna go out on a limb and say: TOWN

Koala: his Bunny vote might be a scum ensure the kill vote but his overall demeanour is very town so: TOWNLEAN

lfischl: the ate Bunny vote seems unnecessary (like ghug's) but it is fish so : NULL

PE: Not a lot to glean from votes (yet): NULL

rdr: Only voted TFB, seems very townrdr to me: STRONG TOWNLEAN

sword: virtual no info to go on: NULL

TFB: vote to put Bunny 6-4 up with 2 minutes to go is NAI, tunnel on me ludicrous but for some reason seems to be gaining traction: NULL

Current guess*: fish PE sword TFB

Other possibilities: Bozo brain and just maybe Bona

Amusingly this contains no Bs so maybe 3 plus one of the Others.

also is this the gamesolve VCA? i'm super underwhelmed

I'm down to 35 possible teams. Has anybody suggested less?

[Bonatogether]

But everything is relative. In my mind, I am relatively more confident in my top two suspects of Chaqa and yourself than anyone else, because I currently lack a better hypothesis.

I am indeed trying to actively read every other accusation-hypothesis that folks are throwing around, shopping for ones whose logic I can get behind that would be relatively stronger to update my list!

you should post what you think of different accusations and pensees against different people

[Bonatogether]

VCA and more

BK3 - voting all over the place TI, Vote to put Bunny 5-3 NAI, vibes town: TOWNLEAN

Bona - the Bunny vote tying with himself is obviously NAI, didn't care for the spam, seems to be popularly read as town: NULL+

Bozo - voted TFB only: NULL as ever

brain - vote for bunny introduced Bunny to the frame, weakening townvibes: NULL+

Chaqa - avoided voting Bunny NAI, his doubting my sincerity in believing him to be town is from a town pov only serves to increase my assumption he is: TOWN

damo : TOWN

Flum: TOWN

ghug: the late Bunny vote seems entirely inappropriate as scum so gonna go out on a limb and say: TOWN

Koala: his Bunny vote might be a scum ensure the kill vote but his overall demeanour is very town so: TOWNLEAN

lfischl: the ate Bunny vote seems unnecessary (like ghug's) but it is fish so : NULL

PE: Not a lot to glean from votes (yet): NULL

rdr: Only voted TFB, seems very townrdr to me: STRONG TOWNLEAN

sword: virtual no info to go on: NULL

TFB: vote to put Bunny 6-4 up with 2 minutes to go is NAI, tunnel on me ludicrous but for some reason seems to be gaining traction: NULL

Current guess*: fish PE sword TFB

Other possibilities: Bozo brain and just maybe Bona

Amusingly this contains no Bs so maybe 3 plus one of the Others.

also is this the gamesolve VCA? i'm super underwhelmed

I'm down to 35 possible teams. Has anybody suggested less?

can you list them out for me

[ghug]

as for this, why was my vote the trigger both times? I wasn’t the only person moving around your preferred targets

Bona was my preference. Your bona vote made him a viable wagon without me, and there was no movement in the ensuing minutes, so I decided to get a second wagon I liked going. Your vote leaving bona made him not a viable wagon without me, so I came back. I did pretty much the same thing when I voted damo again (also after you lol) and when I moved from Bunny to Bona (after damo).

why do you hate me ghug

I don't hate you I just want you dead

[ghug]

VCA and more

BK3 - voting all over the place TI, Vote to put Bunny 5-3 NAI, vibes town: TOWNLEAN

Bona - the Bunny vote tying with himself is obviously NAI, didn't care for the spam, seems to be popularly read as town: NULL+

Bozo - voted TFB only: NULL as ever

brain - vote for bunny introduced Bunny to the frame, weakening townvibes: NULL+

Chaqa - avoided voting Bunny NAI, his doubting my sincerity in believing him to be town is from a town pov only serves to increase my assumption he is: TOWN

damo : TOWN

Flum: TOWN

ghug: the late Bunny vote seems entirely inappropriate as scum so gonna go out on a limb and say: TOWN

Koala: his Bunny vote might be a scum ensure the kill vote but his overall demeanour is very town so: TOWNLEAN

lfischl: the ate Bunny vote seems unnecessary (like ghug's) but it is fish so : NULL

PE: Not a lot to glean from votes (yet): NULL

rdr: Only voted TFB, seems very townrdr to me: STRONG TOWNLEAN

sword: virtual no info to go on: NULL

TFB: vote to put Bunny 6-4 up with 2 minutes to go is NAI, tunnel on me ludicrous but for some reason seems to be gaining traction: NULL

Current guess*: fish PE sword TFB

Other possibilities: Bozo brain and just maybe Bona

Amusingly this contains no Bs so maybe 3 plus one of the Others.

also is this the gamesolve VCA? i'm super underwhelmed

I'm down to 35 possible teams. Has anybody suggested less?

I'm down to one team:
bona
damo
lfischl
Bishkek

Happy?

[KoalaAttack]

Interesting Facts about Guns:
America has the highest gun possession rate of all the countries, with over 270 million people owning at least one of these firearms. When asked why they chose to have it, two-thirds of these people claimed protection as the major reason. Possession of a gun can make you feel safer and more in control of your protection.

As of 2022, gun-related deaths are among the top three leading causes of death in the United States. The Pew Research center surveyed in 2021 to find out what the average American feels concerning gun violence and possession. These results showed that 48% of Americans living in the U.S. see it as the number one problem facing society today.

The remaining percentage of people still bordered on the fact that it is a small or moderate problem, while only six agreed that it was no problem. During the survey, it was discovered that the differing opinions on this were majorly influenced by the race or ethnicity of the individual. 82% of black people agreed that gun violence is a major problem in society, the highest polling number accrued by any race in the survey. It is followed closely by the Hispanics, where 58% of the adults agreed that it is a problem. Only 38% of the Whites agreed to this.

Still, according to the 2022 survey by the Pew Center, more than half of Americans want stricter firearm laws. 32% argued that the current law is strict enough, while 14% said they would prefer it if it were less strict.

While there are so many debates on whether a stricter law would lead to a decrease in mass shootings, Americans have remained divided on this issue. 34% of the people think that if fewer people possessed this, the crime rate would increase, 34% believe the rate would remain the same, while 31% think there will be a drastic reduction in the crime rate.

FLUMINATOR HAS DIED. HE WAS THE TOWN ONE-SHOT VIGILANTE!

Day 2 has begun. You may now post.

Poop. No more confirmed Townie.

Open question to experienced players – but please only answer if answering this doesn't give Mafia useful info – is there a way for us to tell if the Doctor protected the wrong person or if the Mafia stopped the Doctor? Would a Doctor typically share what they did or did not do, or would it be better for them to remain silent?

[damo666]

Looks like idiots/scum are in a rush to kill me.

I've said where I'm at and I've explained myself. The NK told us nothing and we will not get more data during the day so I doubt I'll be saying much more.

If I get mk'd take good notice of who is on my wagon and more importantly who is not. And reread my reads.

##vote Bona because he's scum possible (although not in my gang of four from 1733), he's annoying and starts with B.

[Chaqa]

the thing that sticks out to me most about eden's case on googity is that he had the exact same wording to switch votes on two occasions

interested by but not completely sold on the rest

I don't think someone using the same wording twice for the same thing is weird.

How many times has Eden said bofa or ligma

but for votes?

Eh, it just doesn’t seem like scum indicative.

[damo666]

also is this the gamesolve VCA? i'm super underwhelmed

I'm down to 35 possible teams. Has anybody suggested less?

can you list them out for me

I could but I won't.

I'll let you get your crayons out.

[damo666]

also is this the gamesolve VCA? i'm super underwhelmed

I'm down to 35 possible teams. Has anybody suggested less?

I'm down to one team:
bona
damo
lfischl
Bishkek

Happy?

It's 34 less than 35 but it's wrong.

[KoalaAttack]

Oh, now I get it, thank you!

I don't want any such credit though – and I am not sure this is a townslip.

...

Yeah that's a possible interpretation.

this feels like a discussion of little merit

boring!

I don't understand. Why is a discussion of whether rdr's potential Townslip was a real Townslip or not of little merit?

If we believe, as a group, that rdr had a read Townslip that is super useful info, no? Meaning they are Townie.

And if we believe, as a group, that rdr intentionally tried to fake a Townslip that is also quite useful, no? Meaning they are Mafia.

And if rdr was indeed just talking about the 3 people from the previous sentence than this is NAI.

Suspicious you think this is of little merit!

[President Eden]

VCA and more

BK3 - voting all over the place TI, Vote to put Bunny 5-3 NAI, vibes town: TOWNLEAN

Bona - the Bunny vote tying with himself is obviously NAI, didn't care for the spam, seems to be popularly read as town: NULL+

Bozo - voted TFB only: NULL as ever

brain - vote for bunny introduced Bunny to the frame, weakening townvibes: NULL+

Chaqa - avoided voting Bunny NAI, his doubting my sincerity in believing him to be town is from a town pov only serves to increase my assumption he is: TOWN

damo : TOWN

Flum: TOWN

ghug: the late Bunny vote seems entirely inappropriate as scum so gonna go out on a limb and say: TOWN

Koala: his Bunny vote might be a scum ensure the kill vote but his overall demeanour is very town so: TOWNLEAN

lfischl: the ate Bunny vote seems unnecessary (like ghug's) but it is fish so : NULL

PE: Not a lot to glean from votes (yet): NULL

rdr: Only voted TFB, seems very townrdr to me: STRONG TOWNLEAN

sword: virtual no info to go on: NULL

TFB: vote to put Bunny 6-4 up with 2 minutes to go is NAI, tunnel on me ludicrous but for some reason seems to be gaining traction: NULL

Current guess*: fish PE sword TFB

Other possibilities: Bozo brain and just maybe Bona

Amusingly this contains no Bs so maybe 3 plus one of the Others.

also is this the gamesolve VCA? i'm super underwhelmed

I'm down to 35 possible teams. Has anybody suggested less?

That is a pretty pathetic underdelivery of a “game solve” and you have to know it.

[damo666]

Interesting Facts about Guns:
America has the highest gun possession rate of all the countries, with over 270 million people owning at least one of these firearms. When asked why they chose to have it, two-thirds of these people claimed protection as the major reason. Possession of a gun can make you feel safer and more in control of your protection.

As of 2022, gun-related deaths are among the top three leading causes of death in the United States. The Pew Research center surveyed in 2021 to find out what the average American feels concerning gun violence and possession. These results showed that 48% of Americans living in the U.S. see it as the number one problem facing society today.

The remaining percentage of people still bordered on the fact that it is a small or moderate problem, while only six agreed that it was no problem. During the survey, it was discovered that the differing opinions on this were majorly influenced by the race or ethnicity of the individual. 82% of black people agreed that gun violence is a major problem in society, the highest polling number accrued by any race in the survey. It is followed closely by the Hispanics, where 58% of the adults agreed that it is a problem. Only 38% of the Whites agreed to this.

Still, according to the 2022 survey by the Pew Center, more than half of Americans want stricter firearm laws. 32% argued that the current law is strict enough, while 14% said they would prefer it if it were less strict.

While there are so many debates on whether a stricter law would lead to a decrease in mass shootings, Americans have remained divided on this issue. 34% of the people think that if fewer people possessed this, the crime rate would increase, 34% believe the rate would remain the same, while 31% think there will be a drastic reduction in the crime rate.

FLUMINATOR HAS DIED. HE WAS THE TOWN ONE-SHOT VIGILANTE!

Day 2 has begun. You may now post.

Poop. No more confirmed Townie.

Open question to experienced players – but please only answer if answering this doesn't give Mafia useful info – is there a way for us to tell if the Doctor protected the wrong person or if the Mafia stopped the Doctor? Would a Doctor typically share what they did or did not do, or would it be better for them to remain silent?

Think about it. If you were the doctor and got a roleblock message would you announce it?

[President Eden]

the thing that sticks out to me most about eden's case on googity is that he had the exact same wording to switch votes on two occasions

interested by but not completely sold on the rest

Zoomer doesn't like my sense of humor.

i didn't catch it was humor

maybe you should have added a drawn frog picture on it

Lmao

[damo666]

also is this the gamesolve VCA? i'm super underwhelmed

I'm down to 35 possible teams. Has anybody suggested less?

That is a pretty pathetic underdelivery of a “game solve” and you have to know it.

I may have been overambitious. The guess is however an attempt at a solve.

[Bonatogether]

I mean there is the alternative explanation, namely that damo did not care about his contrived read list when he was receiving a good amount of pressure entering EoD and just panicked and tried to ride momentum to get out and was afraid going head to head against me would get his head on a pike.

So he acted in pure self-preservation and went on lfischl thinking he was an easy kill. After seeing no vote gets on it for 3 hours (I am assuming given the timing of it he didn't see Flum's as he was writing his post) he decided to explicitly note that he wanted to join a popular wagon to save Chaqa.

Then he jumped to Bona, despite Bona being on his unwilling to vote list because he was the wagon with the most real steam behind it.

Then after seeing Bona's wagon lose two votes and a Bunny wagon rise quickly, picking up 4 votes in 3 minutes, Damo hops on a few minutes after and votes Bunny in an attempt to ensure he doesn't become the largest counterwagon as Bona's seems destined to fall apart momentum wise. In doing so he votes for yet another person he was unwilling to vote for and does so at EOD.

Being flexible and doing what you think is best when given shit options is good town play, but if I am to believe that was what Damo was doing I'd expect him to TRY to do something before resigning himself to making that tradeoff. But he didn't.

He shades Eden for something that to me seems NAI and then posts his contrived reads list which he then promptly ignores. At no point does he ever push a serious case or wagon on Eden despite tossing a vote on him. And yes he shades me as well, but he doesn't bother ever pushing it either with even a vote. To me that's indicative that Damo is scum scared to go to war head to head and lose not that he's on a scum team with the reads he made but never pushed.

Can't fault his read because it clearly worked to burn one miskill, but it's a shame we let it happen.

i dislike this post for not explaining why it's scummy for dammiet to do it as opposed to generic mafia player #3

Generic mafia player #3 isn’t that bad and Damo is better than that. I had the pleasure of being a mason with him once and thought he was good

was that the game you were mason with kgary and i caught you guys voting as a bloc

it's not an investigative post but rather one that describes the world if damo was scum, with inherent unknowables that don't progress the case. i think it's probably what like happened but i don't believe that it's useful as a way of knowing dimmit's alignment

[President Eden]

Interesting Facts about Guns:
America has the highest gun possession rate of all the countries, with over 270 million people owning at least one of these firearms. When asked why they chose to have it, two-thirds of these people claimed protection as the major reason. Possession of a gun can make you feel safer and more in control of your protection.

As of 2022, gun-related deaths are among the top three leading causes of death in the United States. The Pew Research center surveyed in 2021 to find out what the average American feels concerning gun violence and possession. These results showed that 48% of Americans living in the U.S. see it as the number one problem facing society today.

The remaining percentage of people still bordered on the fact that it is a small or moderate problem, while only six agreed that it was no problem. During the survey, it was discovered that the differing opinions on this were majorly influenced by the race or ethnicity of the individual. 82% of black people agreed that gun violence is a major problem in society, the highest polling number accrued by any race in the survey. It is followed closely by the Hispanics, where 58% of the adults agreed that it is a problem. Only 38% of the Whites agreed to this.

Still, according to the 2022 survey by the Pew Center, more than half of Americans want stricter firearm laws. 32% argued that the current law is strict enough, while 14% said they would prefer it if it were less strict.

While there are so many debates on whether a stricter law would lead to a decrease in mass shootings, Americans have remained divided on this issue. 34% of the people think that if fewer people possessed this, the crime rate would increase, 34% believe the rate would remain the same, while 31% think there will be a drastic reduction in the crime rate.

FLUMINATOR HAS DIED. HE WAS THE TOWN ONE-SHOT VIGILANTE!

Day 2 has begun. You may now post.

Poop. No more confirmed Townie.

Open question to experienced players – but please only answer if answering this doesn't give Mafia useful info – is there a way for us to tell if the Doctor protected the wrong person or if the Mafia stopped the Doctor? Would a Doctor typically share what they did or did not do, or would it be better for them to remain silent?

Short of the Doctor claiming and telling us (which they shouldn’t), no. Mafia can make some inferences from who they roleblocked, but they presumably won’t be telling us either…

[President Eden]

I'm down to 35 possible teams. Has anybody suggested less?

That is a pretty pathetic underdelivery of a “game solve” and you have to know it.

I may have been overambitious. The guess is however an attempt at a solve.

If you’re sincerely trying I’m not faulting you for that. My issue is that I’m already suspicious that you’re being performative to rationalize a specific frame that you want to set for the discussion, so it’s hard to distinguish genuine overzealousness from that performativeness. I might even do you the solid of going back a couple games and quoting a specific post that sticks out to me concerning your scum M.O. that I think is on point here