MAFIA 78: Random Facts [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

I'm going through this list and I don't have as many townreads as I thought

Sworsdman should probably get a replacement

Ifischl - lurker, confused what he gets out of these games lol

Rdr - Town, his reaction and annoyance to me removing Jamiet's presence from the game was very genuine.

TFB - He can be hard to read because he just says shit to push an agenda without much thought. He's scummy, but his case on damo is interesting enough I think it's worth flipping damo before TFB.

BK3K - null, will hopefully dig more into his content tomorrow. Not town reading him yet

Chaqa - I'm fast losing my townread on him

damo - people's points against him are compelling - scum

Bozo - He seems townie, I need to check a scumgame first to see how good he is at scum

Koala - He's very certain to justify everything he does or post as a form of defense before people even ask. Which isn't necessarily a scumtell, but it would be interesting to check his first game as well.

brainbomb - scum brain often creates random reads on me, while town brain waits longer before trying to read me. It probably sounds pretty weak but I am getting the town vibe brain instead of the scum vibe brain.

ghug - Most of my feelings are on sync with ghug's which usually means town. I know ghug knows I look for that in him to read him so he could easily fake it and fool me, but considering I'll be dead before N2, I don't think he's tayloring it for me specifically which increases the likelihood it's genuine.

President Eden - I don't know if I've seen scum PE but this feels exactly like every other time he was town to me.

Bonatogether - I really have not seen anything in all his posting to make me think he's scum. I felt his town flailing was super genuine at eod.

Can you point me to the bona flailing you think was townie?

[TheFlyingBoat]

It seems damo would have to be mafia with TFB for some of that to be scum motivated.

I mean there is the alternative explanation, namely that damo did not care about his contrived read list when he was receiving a good amount of pressure entering EoD and just panicked and tried to ride momentum to get out and was afraid going head to head against me would get his head on a pike.

So he acted in pure self-preservation and went on lfischl thinking he was an easy kill. After seeing no vote gets on it for 3 hours (I am assuming given the timing of it he didn't see Flum's as he was writing his post) he decided to explicitly note that he wanted to join a popular wagon to save Chaqa.

Then he jumped to Bona, despite Bona being on his unwilling to vote list because he was the wagon with the most real steam behind it.

Then after seeing Bona's wagon lose two votes and a Bunny wagon rise quickly, picking up 4 votes in 3 minutes, Damo hops on a few minutes after and votes Bunny in an attempt to ensure he doesn't become the largest counterwagon as Bona's seems destined to fall apart momentum wise. In doing so he votes for yet another person he was unwilling to vote for and does so at EOD.

Being flexible and doing what you think is best when given shit options is good town play, but if I am to believe that was what Damo was doing I'd expect him to TRY to do something before resigning himself to making that tradeoff. But he didn't.

He shades Eden for something that to me seems NAI and then posts his contrived reads list which he then promptly ignores. At no point does he ever push a serious case or wagon on Eden despite tossing a vote on him. And yes he shades me as well, but he doesn't bother ever pushing it either with even a vote. To me that's indicative that Damo is scum scared to go to war head to head and lose not that he's on a scum team with the reads he made but never pushed.

Can't fault his read because it clearly worked to burn one miskill, but it's a shame we let it happen.

i dislike this post for not explaining why it's scummy for dammiet to do it as opposed to generic mafia player #3

Generic mafia player #3 isn’t that bad and Damo is better than that. I had the pleasure of being a mason with him once and thought he was good

[Fluminator]

Bonatogether - I really have not seen anything in all his posting to make me think he's scum. I felt his town flailing was super genuine at eod.

Can you point me to the bona flailing you think was townie?

He was very engaged in analyzing the wagons as they were happening while remaining mostly calm but also vaguely irritated at some of the dumber votes, which I also agreed with.
If he is town, he was in the best position to read people and his increased analysis and increased substance tracked to me as a townie being both increasingly interesting and irritated. He was putting out all sorts of thoughts as it came up in response to things before potentially dying. If he was scum, I think the content of his posts would be more focused on other things or remain at a similar tempo.

Could be wrong though

[brainbomb]

legacy reads
town: flum, rdrivera, bozo, koala, damo, bona, eden

null: tfb, swords, BK, lfishcl

Scum: chaqa, ghug

[Chaqa]

Flum - what has caused you to “fastly” lose your town read on me?

Seems odd

[bozotheclown]

You're accusing me of knowing that two specific people would switch back o once he already had several votes again, though. And it doesn't matter either way, because my intent was to keep the Bunny wagon alive and competitive even as I switched to Bona.

That is not what I said.

I can see your EOD voting as trying to keep the wagons competitive, except that you seemed to only want it to be competitive between BunnyGo, Bonatogether, and damo, despite TFB being on your short list of players you would vote for.

Boat started behaving townily. I believe I voiced this.

If from this I can assume you thought TFB was most likely to be town out of BunnyGo, Bonatogether, damo, and TFB, we had opposite opinions (if you are town).

[ghug]

That is not what I said.

I can see your EOD voting as trying to keep the wagons competitive, except that you seemed to only want it to be competitive between BunnyGo, Bonatogether, and damo, despite TFB being on your short list of players you would vote for.

Boat started behaving townily. I believe I voiced this.

If from this I can assume you thought TFB was most likely to be town out of BunnyGo, Bonatogether, damo, and TFB, we had opposite opinions (if you are town).

That is indeed what I am saying.

Are those still your opinions?

[bozotheclown]

he should have known that from the rapid anti-bongo sentiment that was growing in the thread

i feel like this is just stating the obvious. ghug wanted new wagon, momentum was there, he precipitated that momentum turning into votes.

Yes, so why did he want a BunnyGo wagon over the wagons that existed?

I only liked one of the existing wagons.

If you only liked one wagon, why did you try to maintain Bonatogether and damo as wagons?

[bozotheclown]

Boat started behaving townily. I believe I voiced this.

If from this I can assume you thought TFB was most likely to be town out of BunnyGo, Bonatogether, damo, and TFB, we had opposite opinions (if you are town).

That is indeed what I am saying.

Are those still your opinions?

Yes, especially with regard to BunnyGo.

[Bonatogether]

my computer is like not loading so idk what to do lol

phoneposting d2??

[brainbomb]

ghug the issue is not exclusively your reads. or your view of the game. the issue is your actions, and the time you chose chaos over rationality. town is in need of coherent ideas. and you gave them a ferris wheel.

[Fluminator]

Flum - what has caused you to “fastly” lose your town read on me?

Seems odd

You've only done one alignment specific thing for me, and you're more than capable of faking one thing.

[President Eden]

I cannot imagine I’m dying tonight, but if I do, kill Chaqa

[ghug]

Yes, so why did he want a BunnyGo wagon over the wagons that existed?

I only liked one of the existing wagons.

If you only liked one wagon, why did you try to maintain Bonatogether and damo as wagons?

The one wagon was the bona wagon.

I liked the damo wagon more than the Chaqa and boat wagons, so I pushed that over them, and then pivoted to Bunny when he was being loudly scummy in the thread.

[Chaqa]

ghug the issue is not exclusively your reads. or your view of the game. the issue is your actions, and the time you chose chaos over rationality. town is in need of coherent ideas. and you gave them a ferris wheel.

Chaos is pro-town. If anyone would agree with that take I'd assume it's you

[bozotheclown]

why those 4?

They are the only 4 who could be mafia that did not end up voting for BunnyGo.

from your pov or from a spectator's pov

It is a fact, but a fact that only myself and the mafia can currently prove.

[Bonatogether]

And of course I couldn't resist one more "find on page" while waiting for the server to restart... sigh...

First Bona earns Townie points in my book for making an excellent points.

Second Bona immediately loses them all for this arrogant statement.

Net zero!

What's scummy about arrogance?

Arrogance in general, nothing. Bona proudly pointing out how excellent-point-filled their posts are after a gazillion of obvious shitposts sounds like Squealer from Animal Farm. Especially coupled with the whole "buddying" of newbies (myself included).

This is why Bona subtly moved to suspect #1 in lieu of Chaqa on my 2.0 list.

why is this indicative that i am a mafia member? how does this serve the radical criminal agenda?

[ghug]

ghug the issue is not exclusively your reads. or your view of the game. the issue is your actions, and the time you chose chaos over rationality. town is in need of coherent ideas. and you gave them a ferris wheel.

That's a view of the game too. I always choose chaos.

[ghug]

if i die kill kgray

[brainbomb]

ghug the issue is not exclusively your reads. or your view of the game. the issue is your actions, and the time you chose chaos over rationality. town is in need of coherent ideas. and you gave them a ferris wheel.

Chaos is pro-town. If anyone would agree with that take I'd assume it's you

maybe in role madness or multiball but not in a low PR setup where 1 PR is dead and another is outted and we have 1 left who needs to stay hidden at all cost.