MAFIA 78: Random Facts [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

Elaborate

if only I had somewhere!

Can't you just be who I want you to be?

funny, your mother asked me that too

[Chaqa]

Elaborate

if only I had somewhere!

Can't you just be who I want you to be?

Eden's dating life

[brainbomb]

Concerning ghug

rereading his end of day he is trying to produce a wagon that he beleives will produce a result he likes. the problem is this could be either alignment for ghug as he potentially wants to moves people make to catch-em-all.

the issue here is that damo, bona arent very scummy and never were. the wagons ghug doesnt promote in chaqa or tfb are scummy and had traction.

so it reads more like ghug wants to create chaos to cover someone there. it is unclear if this is to churn chaos to cover one buddy or two buddies but it seems more likely that ghugs actions are scum motivated there.

The only argument I could make for his innocence there is that he truly thinks tfb and chaqa are town and that those flips would be more boring for some reason.

Our reads are different. Is that that weird?

It is not weird that our reads are different.

it is a little weird how you became loki at end of day

[KoalaAttack]

Koala's Suspect List 2.0 (for reasons mentioned earlier):

(1) Bona
(2) Chaqa

... big gap ...

(3) Bozo – remains default for being a soulless koala killer, and I will continue to make references to that regardless of any threats or consequences as promised!

so please don't vote for them first so it doesn't look like I'm following you!

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PS: If I get killed today, please Google photos of koalas and then vote Bozo tomorrow. Being a koala killer is bad. Being a koala serial killer is terrible!

koalers how are you so confident

Oh I am not confident at all – but Fluminator basically told me to not follow them and play based on my own conclusions.

I will be the first to admin that during the last game I had 2 iterations of the suspect list which were completely wrong (including the earlier-mentioned tunnel on worcej who was the Doctor) before finally landing on the correct lfischl accusation who turned out to be Mafia.

Further, based on my limited experience with Mafia so far, I think anyone who claims supreme confidence in their Suspect Lists early on is Suspicious as heck.

[KoalaAttack]

But everything is relative. In my mind, I am relatively more confident in my top two suspects of Chaqa and yourself than anyone else, because I currently lack a better hypothesis.

I am indeed trying to actively read every other accusation-hypothesis that folks are throwing around, shopping for ones whose logic I can get behind that would be relatively stronger to update my list!

[brainbomb]

I have observed a very strong trend that chaqa is being forced into peoples townreads without explanation.

that lfischl is being forced into townreads without explanation other than chaqa who swears lfischl would never ask a 0-lvl question as scum.

and that damo is being thrown into almost everyones scumreads without much explanation.

[KoalaAttack]

Sorry, correction – I am supremely confident that Bozo is a soulless koala killer. Even if they turn out to be the Doctor. Once a koala killer, always a koala killer. Vengeance!

[brainbomb]

simply put be aware of who you are parroting and why.

[KoalaAttack]

simply put be aware of who you are parroting and why.

I think this is good advice.

This is also why, despite folks listing at least a dozen accusation-theories so far, I have not found any quite convincing enough to update my list much. I did downgrade Chaqa and upgrade Bono, but they are very close.

Also, the other thing I'm noticing is that experienced players are also building a Cleaned Townie List in addition to Suspect List. I have not quite figured out how to do that as well so far, hence the lack of a Cleared Townie list from me.

I will try to take a stab at it tomorrow if I am still alive :)

[ghug]

Concerning ghug

rereading his end of day he is trying to produce a wagon that he beleives will produce a result he likes. the problem is this could be either alignment for ghug as he potentially wants to moves people make to catch-em-all.

the issue here is that damo, bona arent very scummy and never were. the wagons ghug doesnt promote in chaqa or tfb are scummy and had traction.

so it reads more like ghug wants to create chaos to cover someone there. it is unclear if this is to churn chaos to cover one buddy or two buddies but it seems more likely that ghugs actions are scum motivated there.

The only argument I could make for his innocence there is that he truly thinks tfb and chaqa are town and that those flips would be more boring for some reason.

Our reads are different. Is that that weird?

It is not weird that our reads are different.

it is a little weird how you became loki at end of day

Chaos is pro town

[brainbomb]

mmm no. not at all. people need coherent ideas and sensible choices.

they dont want to tune into the game and find that its a pre pubescant child rapidly flipping through the skin flick channels when his parents accidentally walk in on him in his boxers with a bag of cheetos next to him.

[brainbomb]

frantic decisions make people do really idiotic things, and in a game where 1 PR is dead, and another it outted playing an end of day that way has the possibility of getting the doc killed as well with no chance for them to even know theyd need to claim..

so no that was not pro town

[ghug]

frantic decisions make people do really idiotic things, and in a game where 1 PR is dead, and another it outted playing an end of day that way has the possibility of getting the doc killed as well with no chance for them to even know theyd need to claim..

so no that was not pro town

Fewer PRs means a better chance of shenanigans hitting them relative to scum.

[brainbomb]

that being said, if you are scum and I am correct, you did a very good job of choosing someone who is a solid town player typically, who wasnt playing well, and therein convinced myself and fluminator to kill this person. So good job on that, it was a solid push that maybe you didnt know we would both go all in on, but when you did I couldnt resist because id been sussing bunny most of the day. And I loved bringing it back to life.

So your chaos certainaly made me happy and hopeful.

And of course he flips town instead. So I have to logically ask myself if that was all designed for me and fluminator because you felt it may just work.

so I have to wonder from your scum mindset why you needed it to work. And the only reason youd do it is if someone else was mafia who was in danger.

[KoalaAttack]

simply put be aware of who you are parroting and why.

I think this is good advice.

This is also why, despite folks listing at least a dozen accusation-theories so far, I have not found any quite convincing enough to update my list much. I did downgrade Chaqa and upgrade Bono, but they are very close.

Also, the other thing I'm noticing is that experienced players are also building a Cleaned Townie List in addition to Suspect List. I have not quite figured out how to do that as well so far, hence the lack of a Cleared Townie list from me.

I will try to take a stab at it tomorrow if I am still alive :)

I repeatedly urged people to hop off both of the leading wagons and vote for damo, but no one listened. I only voted for bungo to save Bona who anyone with a brain can tell is town.

I will say that given that a person whose name includes "brain" just told me to be very careful about whom I follow, all that reading statements like this implying lack of a brain for my current Suspect List without any coherent logic to it does is makes me go:

+ TFB - Suspicious.
+ Bona - protected by Suspicious and therefore mini-Suspicious.

[damo666]

VCA and more

BK3 - voting all over the place TI, Vote to put Bunny 5-3 NAI, vibes town: TOWNLEAN

Bona - the Bunny vote tying with himself is obviously NAI, didn't care for the spam, seems to be popularly read as town: NULL+

Bozo - voted TFB only: NULL as ever

brain - vote for bunny introduced Bunny to the frame, weakening townvibes: NULL+

Chaqa - avoided voting Bunny NAI, his doubting my sincerity in believing him to be town is from a town pov only serves to increase my assumption he is: TOWN

damo : TOWN

Flum: TOWN

ghug: the late Bunny vote seems entirely inappropriate as scum so gonna go out on a limb and say: TOWN

Koala: his Bunny vote might be a scum ensure the kill vote but his overall demeanour is very town so: TOWNLEAN

lfischl: the ate Bunny vote seems unnecessary (like ghug's) but it is fish so : NULL

PE: Not a lot to glean from votes (yet): NULL

rdr: Only voted TFB, seems very townrdr to me: STRONG TOWNLEAN

sword: virtual no info to go on: NULL

TFB: vote to put Bunny 6-4 up with 2 minutes to go is NAI, tunnel on me ludicrous but for some reason seems to be gaining traction: NULL

Current guess*: fish PE sword TFB

Other possibilities: Bozo brain and just maybe Bona

Amusingly this contains no Bs so maybe 3 plus one of the Others.

7 people emboldened. Any 4 from 7 is 35.

For ghug.

[brainbomb]

I dont object to eliminating damo and then if damo flips town you always just eliminate TFB.

and vice versa.

I could see that TFB is actually very town and having a game where hes accurately pushed scum almost exclusively in damo and swords but no one buys it and eden is just a wolf who kept shading tfb all day long until he saw it wasnt gonna happen.

like yea I can see those narratives.

damo is not gonna impress people early on. hes definetely not impressing me with his atrocious reads that somehow im his only wolf lean. but regardless...

eh its a coin flip. either or really.

ive just had a hard time buying tfb case.

[BK3K]

What was the deal with your vote movement yesterday? You were about a day late with the grab-ass games

Can you be more specific?

00:50 Eden switch Bona -> Chaqa
00:49 ghug switch damo -> Bona

00:22 Eden switch Chaqa -> Bona
00:21 ghug switch Bona -> damo

I know you know what I mean with this, there’s simply no way you weren’t doing it in direct response to me
My question is why?

I find this interesting too

[ghug]

that being said, if you are scum and I am correct, you did a very good job of choosing someone who is a solid town player typically, who wasnt playing well, and therein convinced myself and fluminator to kill this person. So good job on that, it was a solid push that maybe you didnt know we would both go all in on, but when you did I couldnt resist because id been sussing bunny most of the day. And I loved bringing it back to life.

So your chaos certainaly made me happy and hopeful.

And of course he flips town instead. So I have to logically ask myself if that was all designed for me and fluminator because you felt it may just work.

so I have to wonder from your scum mindset why you needed it to work. And the only reason youd do it is if someone else was mafia who was in danger.

I don't understand why you can't even entertain the possibility that we just see the game differently.

[Fluminator]

I'm going through this list and I don't have as many townreads as I thought

Sworsdman should probably get a replacement

Ifischl - lurker, confused what he gets out of these games lol

Rdr - Town, his reaction and annoyance to me removing Jamiet's presence from the game was very genuine.

TFB - He can be hard to read because he just says shit to push an agenda without much thought. He's scummy, but his case on damo is interesting enough I think it's worth flipping damo before TFB.

BK3K - null, will hopefully dig more into his content tomorrow. Not town reading him yet

Chaqa - I'm fast losing my townread on him

damo - people's points against him are compelling - scum

Bozo - He seems townie, I need to check a scumgame first to see how good he is at scum

Koala - He's very certain to justify everything he does or post as a form of defense before people even ask. Which isn't necessarily a scumtell, but it would be interesting to check his first game as well.

brainbomb - scum brain often creates random reads on me, while town brain waits longer before trying to read me. It probably sounds pretty weak but I am getting the town vibe brain instead of the scum vibe brain.

ghug - Most of my feelings are on sync with ghug's which usually means town. I know ghug knows I look for that in him to read him so he could easily fake it and fool me, but considering I'll be dead before N2, I don't think he's tayloring it for me specifically which increases the likelihood it's genuine.

President Eden - I don't know if I've seen scum PE but this feels exactly like every other time he was town to me.

Bonatogether - I really have not seen anything in all his posting to make me think he's scum. I felt his town flailing was super genuine at eod.