MAFIA 78: Random Facts [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[KoalaAttack]

This game needs a seriousness-meter of some sort for new players in the group.

[brainbomb]

Oh no, poor Bunny – I am sorry for have suspected you for faking your drunk-ness last game!

So if the Cop is dead and a Vanilla Townie is dead, how many more mistakes we have left assuming Mafia kills a person every night?

Too hard to know. We have a doctor. Scum may try to aim for a doc early and keep fluminator around since doc will save flum here. so tonight is towns chance to have scum waste a kill on someone that is harming their overall game. typically mafia kill town who they cant get rid of by elimination. all kills are information it just usually gets discounted or ignored.

its best to temper ones nightkill analysis with the notion that scum want the doc dead primarily but also want someone playing well to die.

speculating on who will die will just give mafia ideas so there is no point in discussing that aspect of it. we just wait and see and maybe doc plays a gambit and saves someone else and mafia maybe doesnt try to kill flum.

its a standoff chess match of will they or wont they

[BK3K]

From the Maf QT
Just outside of Palestine Ohio

Ghug: Well that was fun causing some chaos. did you see how people moved around on wagons like animals! that was awesome

Eden Yea but chaqa why did you claim? that almost got you killed man we had to work overtime there to dodge your wagon while propping up so many people who werent scummy at all

Chaqaputs phone down Guys I ordered the fish baskets from Captain Dees, but theres like a train derailment outside of town and this guy at grubhub is the most insufferable person ive ever dealt with. he keeps asking me questions about what fucking sides we want. what sides do you insufferable assholes want?

lfischl fish. no sides just fish

ghug not eating any of that shit anyway

eden Ill take two sides of slaw and a side of hush puppies and make sure they bring me a extra large mountain dew this time. no baja blast or bj blast or whatever that crap was last time

chaqaback into phone okay no sides. and I think somebody wanted a soda but I wasnt paying attention. see ya soon

I can buy this

[ghug]

Well we are back to 2 of my Suspects leading the votes. Last game I got into trouble for creating a Draw. Now I don't want to vote to break it.

I will follow Fluminator who is a 100% confirmed townie even though they shot the Cop.

##vote Bunny

Never just follow confirmed townies.

##VOTE Bunny

But why? Suspicious advice... should I assume a joke?

We create information by voting and interacting. If Flum makes all decisions unilaterally, we won't get any voting information and he'll basically be flipping coins that aren't weighted in our favor.

[President Eden]

Captain Dees

Who is Captain Dees?

[brainbomb]

Captain Dees

Who is Captain Dees?

https://www.captainds.com/

[bozotheclown]

Elaborate

9 players voted for BunnyGo in 12 minutes, I am assuming some of them were mafia.

Your vote for BunnyGo knowing there were 2 more votes out there, then bailing on the wagon when it took the lead, does not look that good.

What do you mean by two more votes?

You could have reasonably expected those who previously expressed a preference to DK BunnyGo to follow your vote, which happened in less than 2 minutes.

[ghug]

9 players voted for BunnyGo in 12 minutes, I am assuming some of them were mafia.

Your vote for BunnyGo knowing there were 2 more votes out there, then bailing on the wagon when it took the lead, does not look that good.

What do you mean by two more votes?

You could have reasonably expected those who previously expressed a preference to DK BunnyGo to follow your vote, which happened in less than 2 minutes.

Sure, but I don't even know which people you're talking about, and I imagine we could find people who'd expressed suspicion of bona as well.

I'm responsible for the Bunny wagon and arguably for the bona wagon too. The fact that I moved votes between them to keep them even doesn't make that less true, nor does it suggest that I was trying to make it less true.

[President Eden]

As amusing as brain's Tales from the Maf QT always are, I find it more than a little self-serving that the guy who loudly wanted to kill Chaqa all day long, hassled other people for not making the day an uneventful runaway train, and then dipped on his own wagon at the crucial turning point is now trying to call people out for going soft on Chaqa Come on man.

I'm still trying to review the vote logs to remember the order of events, but my recollection is that we had Chaqa vs Bona, then the Chaqa wagon evaporated to put damo and Boat up, Bona briefly pulled ahead (about when I voted, I think?) and then everyone scrambled onto Bunny and that was that.

I struggle with the wagonomics of Bunny vs Bona being TvT, but maybe more will come to me when I finish reviewing. I kind of think fish/Bona might be a pair, quotes to come.

[Chaqa]

As amusing as brain's Tales from the Maf QT always are, I find it more than a little self-serving that the guy who loudly wanted to kill Chaqa all day long, hassled other people for not making the day an uneventful runaway train, and then dipped on his own wagon at the crucial turning point is now trying to call people out for going soft on Chaqa Come on man.

I'm still trying to review the vote logs to remember the order of events, but my recollection is that we had Chaqa vs Bona, then the Chaqa wagon evaporated to put damo and Boat up, Bona briefly pulled ahead (about when I voted, I think?) and then everyone scrambled onto Bunny and that was that.

I struggle with the wagonomics of Bunny vs Bona being TvT, but maybe more will come to me when I finish reviewing. I kind of think fish/Bona might be a pair, quotes to come.

I know you don't quite believe I'm town, but I am sure Lfischl is. He doesn't ask a question like that as scum.

[President Eden]

Actually on further reflection, I don't think there's a tie together like I first thought. For clarity's sake, the exchange that caught my eye:

##vote bunny

Better bunny than bona, but it should be damo

##vote bunny Not my first choice but not bona

terrible vote

Bona had just gotten done calling the Bunny wagon "goated," so I'm not really sure why lfischl following onto it would have been "terrible." In theory, it struck me as the type of signal one mafia might send to the other to get off the wagon and be somewhere else (knowing Bunny would flip town and it would look like lfischl tried to save his teammate).

The issue is that I thought I remembered it happening earlier in the phase than it did, but it actually happened at t-1 minute... which is way too late to be trying to signal something.

lfischl tied himself to Bona pretty decisively down the stretch without a lot of explanation, which is kind of odd for a town to do, but only makes sense as mafia if Bona is also mafia.

Long story short I'm not sure what to make of it. I didn't like a lot of Bona's EOD so I'm inclined to just see them as a pair, but that has its faults obviously.

[President Eden]

As amusing as brain's Tales from the Maf QT always are, I find it more than a little self-serving that the guy who loudly wanted to kill Chaqa all day long, hassled other people for not making the day an uneventful runaway train, and then dipped on his own wagon at the crucial turning point is now trying to call people out for going soft on Chaqa Come on man.

I'm still trying to review the vote logs to remember the order of events, but my recollection is that we had Chaqa vs Bona, then the Chaqa wagon evaporated to put damo and Boat up, Bona briefly pulled ahead (about when I voted, I think?) and then everyone scrambled onto Bunny and that was that.

I struggle with the wagonomics of Bunny vs Bona being TvT, but maybe more will come to me when I finish reviewing. I kind of think fish/Bona might be a pair, quotes to come.

I know you don't quite believe I'm town, but I am sure Lfischl is. He doesn't ask a question like that as scum.

You have some data now. All I see in terms of new conclusions is that swordsman is mafia (and not based on the EOD happenings, so far as I gather). What are you thinking?

[Bonatogether]

I found bona's flailing at the end quite townie fwiw. I would lean towards that being a town vs. town there

Agreed. I find the way the damo wagon died highly suspect though.

i don't understand why ghuggity moved
flumigatior jumped onto the bunny train
koalers joined to push an info flip (megatown points for original thought, many scum points for immediately backing down on it)

bongo flipped for self-preservation
boat man was one of the last bungo train joiners

[Bonatogether]

agree that it's slightly odd that everyone who wasn't bongo moved onto bongo's wagon, but none of those votes look super bad by themselves

[Bonatogether]

I am going to assume the mafia team is not exactly swordsman, PE, Chaqa, and rdrivera, and the mafia had an interest in getting BunnyGo mis-killed.

Elaborate

can we ban people saying 'elaborate'

[ghug]

I found bona's flailing at the end quite townie fwiw. I would lean towards that being a town vs. town there

Agreed. I find the way the damo wagon died highly suspect though.

i don't understand why ghuggity moved
flumigatior jumped onto the bunny train
koalers joined to push an info flip (megatown points for original thought, many scum points for immediately backing down on it)

bongo flipped for self-preservation
boat man was one of the last bungo train joiners

I was never that excited about the damo wagon. He was better than Chaqa and people were on him, so he was my preferred counter to you until someone else came along.

[Bonatogether]

I am going to assume the mafia team is not exactly swordsman, PE, Chaqa, and rdrivera, and the mafia had an interest in getting BunnyGo mis-killed.

Elaborate

9 players voted for BunnyGo in 12 minutes, I am assuming some of them were mafia.

Your vote for BunnyGo knowing there were 2 more votes out there, then bailing on the wagon when it took the lead, does not look that good.

wdym 2 more votes

[Bonatogether]

Well we are back to 2 of my Suspects leading the votes. Last game I got into trouble for creating a Draw. Now I don't want to vote to break it.

I will follow Fluminator who is a 100% confirmed townie even though they shot the Cop.

##vote Bunny

Never just follow confirmed townies.

##VOTE Bunny

But why? Suspicious advice... should I assume a joke?

conf town can be wrong
conf town have one less piece of info than everyone else (flum doesn't know my alignment, for ex, but i know mine and his)

[President Eden]

agree that it's slightly odd that everyone who wasn't bongo moved onto bongo's wagon, but none of those votes look super bad by themselves

lfischl's vote?

[Bonatogether]

This game needs a seriousness-meter of some sort for new players in the group.

off the charts, periodically dropping below the scale for when bozo posts