MAFIA 39 - GAME THREAD

[Tom Bombadil]

Tom def seems to want to brush off the MF flip as uninformative.

Do you disagree with that? If so, do share.

[y2kjbk]

How can a scumflip be written off as uninformative?

[brainbomb]

My current thinking for the scumteam is Squigs, rivera and one of Chaqa/snowy, and perhaps y2k as a first substitute if I'm wrong about one of them.

Why is ND, ghug, and vecna town in your opinion

[brainbomb]

How can a scumflip be written off as uninformative?

Because scumslips are about as real as Capt Brads full press skills

[xorxes]

My current thinking for the scumteam is Squigs, rivera and one of Chaqa/snowy, and perhaps y2k as a first substitute if I'm wrong about one of them.

Why is ND, ghug, and vecna town in your opinion

Vecna because of how he argued with me about the cannon plan.

ghug because of one of his posts about the night start. I could be wrong here, but I lean towards them being genuine and they seemed townish.

I think ND is more friendly when he is scum. Not a solid read, but leaning town.

[flash2015]

My current thinking for the scumteam is Squigs, rivera and one of Chaqa/snowy, and perhaps y2k as a first substitute if I'm wrong about one of them.

Why is ND, ghug, and vecna town in your opinion

Vecna because of how he argued with me about the cannon plan.

ghug because of one of his posts about the night start. I could be wrong here, but I lean towards them being genuine and they seemed townish.

I think ND is more friendly when he is scum. Not a solid read, but leaning town.

I am not convinced in the "because he argued with me" as clearing. This game is different from others in that there is mafia chat immediately so it is much easier for the controversy to have been staged.

[flash2015]

I am not believing he is being sincere: ##VOTE Xorxes.

[Durga]

Strangely this is the towniest I've ever seen xorxes

[flash2015]

Strangely this is the towniest I've ever seen xorxes

In what way?

[y2kjbk]

Not scumslips, scumflips.

[Durga]

Strangely this is the towniest I've ever seen xorxes

In what way?

He's actually engaging, which he doesn't do when he's scum

[Jamiet99uk]

Vote Count 1.6

Snowy801 (2) - Brainbomb, Xorxes
DemonRHK (2) - Durga, Tom Bombadil
Tom Bombadil (2) - y2kjbk, Squigs44
Squigs44 (1) - Worcej
Ghug (1) - Damo666
Vecna (1) - Ghug
Xorxes (1) - Flash2015

Currently NOBODY is set to be lynched.

You have 23.5 hours remaining in Day 1.

CHAQA, DEMONRHK, ND, RDRIVERA2005, SNOWY801 and VECNA still need to cast a valid vote.

CHAQA, SNOWY801 and VECNA have not met the minimum posting requirement.

[xorxes]

Vecna because of how he argued with me about the cannon plan.

I am not convinced in the "because he argued with me" as clearing. This game is different from others in that there is mafia chat immediately so it is much easier for the controversy to have been staged.

You think Vecna and I planned our argument in mafia chat? Whatever for, of course the argument in itself doesn't clear either of us. It's the way he argued with me that makes me find him towny.

Have you been scum before? Because despite people always fantasizing about complex conspiracy theories about what goes on in mafia chat, it never actually happens that way. Scum usually just play it by ear and rarely have a planned course of action.

[Tom Bombadil]

How can a scumflip be written off as uninformative?

Because it happened so early that MF had essentially no meaningful interaction with players. Again then, if you disagree please tell me what you’ve learned.

[xorxes]

He's actually engaging, which he doesn't do when he's scum

That may actually be because I have more time than usual, not necessarily because I'm town. :)

[y2kjbk]

I was pretty clear what I took away from MF looking at a potential connection with damo, which lead me to look at you and the similar way in which you seemed to dissuade immediate cannon usage.

[xorxes]

I think I will ##VOTE Squiggs for now, I doubt snowy will even acknowledge that there's a wagon on him.

[rdrivera2005]

I had the same feeling about Xorxes, too focused on mechanics and claims, looks a lot like when he was scum with me. I know it's a bit of OMGUS, but his comment about me looks like a lot more like just throwing shade then actual scum hunting.

OK, direct question then: Why did you not express any opinion about my cannons plan? That's the type of thing I would expect you to at least make some comment on.

I also suspect Squigs. I was really afraid of him last two games as scum and this game he looks just coasting. If we had PRs it could be an explanation, but we don't have.

I will look into that.

And I need to re-read this exchange you mention from Moscow, but without the bot it won't be now.

It appears that peterbot is working now. Yay!

Because when I read that it was already dismissed by other people (Vecna and more one as far as I remember). The game started in a bad day to me, yesterday was a holiday here (Independence Day) and I wasn't reading the game closely.

[rdrivera2005]

I think I will ##VOTE Squiggs for now, I doubt snowy will even acknowledge that there's a wagon on him.

I will join this wagon, as I think you could be bussing him (and I am pretty sure you will say I am bussing him too).

##vote Squigs

[rdrivera2005]

This game insofar is what they refer to as a "townstomp".

Mafia lays low and lets little imformation ruin the town. Theres usually a catharsis in these situations where town gets so confident they start fearing things are too easy and they start lynching wrong.

Most often its because numerous clears look like scum because of inactivity- and they all get killed or claim under pressure and scum eventually ends up with 1 guy still.alive deep who directs the whole town.

Its important to note the only way anyone can get embedded right now is by town killing town in lynch and gunshot. So towns core collapses on itself.

By targeting inactives now we can potentially avoid all of that

If you aren't clear this will be a scummy post. I agree we should probably target inactives at some point, but it's D1. Targeting inactives now give scum an easy way to park a vote and give little info. We don't have more investigative itens unless repair is on town hands and he can use it, so we need as much info we can get.