MAFIA 78: Random Facts [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

Is flyingboat a very helpful town player? what is he doing differently?

It’s been a while but my recollection is that he has very good mechanical reasoning and execution (a long time back, he got put in an awful mechanical spot in a multiball game and schemed up a brilliant play to try to tie the vote and force mafia into a prisoner’s dilemma) and he’s willing to put in a lot of work to catch people.

He’s also just generally a pretty smart guy, notwithstanding his alma mater

I think most of my suspicion is me expecting more from him. Like if Bona were just cruising and not asking any good questions of people, I’d suspect him for that but not others. Same deal. Boat is better than what he’s putting out

[brainbomb]

no but I could say

hey guys out of
joeybob
bunghole
dillybar
cowbell
and honeybadger

theres 1 scum at least statistically

ho ho ho lets get em

[brainbomb]

Is flyingboat a very helpful town player? what is he doing differently?

It’s been a while but my recollection is that he has very good mechanical reasoning and execution (a long time back, he got put in an awful mechanical spot in a multiball game and schemed up a brilliant play to try to tie the vote and force mafia into a prisoner’s dilemma) and he’s willing to put in a lot of work to catch people.

He’s also just generally a pretty smart guy, notwithstanding his alma mater

I think most of my suspicion is me expecting more from him. Like if Bona were just cruising and not asking any good questions of people, I’d suspect him for that but not others. Same deal. Boat is better than what he’s putting out

so based on expectation vs output and result
you would say
TFB = high expectation (with low result)
Bunny = high to mid expectation? (has a low result but not as low as tfb?)
chaqa = ??

I guess im just trying to put it down on paper that you genuinely expect better play from theflying boat than you do from
a veteran like bunny or chaqa

[brainbomb]

or that somehow some way chaqa and bunny are townier by some virtue than flyingboat and this is all related to what you expect


I kind of want to call bullshit on that but ill
let you answer

[brainbomb]

Damo thinks chaqa is town
I think flyingboat is town

but the common theme is not a single one of us thinks bunny is town

[damo666]

I realize that the voting for a B thing is a joke. No one would be that braindead to think that is how you should play a deduction game. I could take any group of 5 people with names starting with 5 different letters and get the same statistics. So im gonna assume you arent suffering from severe brain damage and that this is just your way of entertaining yourself.

correct

[brainbomb]

[President Eden]

Is flyingboat a very helpful town player? what is he doing differently?

It’s been a while but my recollection is that he has very good mechanical reasoning and execution (a long time back, he got put in an awful mechanical spot in a multiball game and schemed up a brilliant play to try to tie the vote and force mafia into a prisoner’s dilemma) and he’s willing to put in a lot of work to catch people.

He’s also just generally a pretty smart guy, notwithstanding his alma mater

I think most of my suspicion is me expecting more from him. Like if Bona were just cruising and not asking any good questions of people, I’d suspect him for that but not others. Same deal. Boat is better than what he’s putting out

so based on expectation vs output and result
you would say
TFB = high expectation (with low result)
Bunny = high to mid expectation? (has a low result but not as low as tfb?)
chaqa = ??

I guess im just trying to put it down on paper that you genuinely expect better play from theflying boat than you do from
a veteran like bunny or chaqa

I don’t think they’re directly comparable. I don’t remember how many games you’ve played with town Boat but that guy puts in a lot of effort questioning people and detailing his reads. His ‘pressure vote’ on swords is considerably less than what I think he would be doing to pressure swords as town. (Never mind that I highly doubt this form of ‘pressure’ is even effective anyway given swords’s professed difficulty in keeping up.) Boat is kind of like me or Bona where volume is indicative of effort and engagement and a lack of either is indicative of scum.

Chaqa on the other hand will usually have a decent voting record but is notorious for barely ever explaining himself. It wasn’t that long ago that he sardonically used “because” in every sentence to open a game because he was told he would become 1000% more effective if he used because sentences to explain himself… the guy just doesn’t spew volumes the way Boat or Bona or I do. So the lack of that isn’t indicative to me. I still think he’s a good vote because he’s pointedly not doing anything and doesn’t seem to want to do anything, but it’s a different context than Boat.

As for Bunny I’m just going to cop to the fact that I barely read his past two games despite GMing one and co-GMing the other and say that I don’t have much in the way of personalized expectations with him, so I don’t feel as strongly as you seem to feel about his play. But I generally agree he’s been forgettable so I’m willing to go with the group on this one.

[brainbomb]

If the vig shoots brain, Eden, or TFB, we'll have like 24000 less words to read

so just to point out at the time this post was made, bona is leading post totals at over 130, and is keeping pace at nearly 30 more posts than me or eden.

after myself and eden, there are 4 other players with more posts than flying boat. one of which is you, chaqa with more posts by 1 than flying boat.

if its words per posts flying boat is well below at least 9-12 other players. if its characters per post hes well below even BK and many others.

so of all the things you said here, accusing flying boat of posting too much or spamming is very indicative of you not reading the thread, and not looking at the bot whatsoever and generally not paying attention.

Or is it indicative of you not having played with his giant walls of text before?

Is it weird that chaqa advocated for vig to shoot among the top three posters when TFB was actually 7th? lower in posting than even himself at the time?

bona and ghug had more posts than tfb at this time also

and then to describe tfb playstyle as giant walls of text which unless
im losing it, has not even happened.

[brainbomb]

also dislike that chaqas only two pushes so far were on Jamie and Fluminator

[Fluminator]

TFB, are you still playing that survivor game?

[Fluminator]

TFB might be the person I know best outside this game. Just before this we hosted a Mafia game together in a different community.
I feel like he got the itch to play after watching that but now he's slightly disappointed he got scum because he wanted to hunt.

Most of his posting has been meta drops of previous games.

But he wasn't initially wanting to play since he was in some survivor game, so I have a meta reason to explain why he's not into it as well.

[dargorygel]

Random Pronunciation Guide for “Worcestershire.”

Let’s pick it apart:
• “Wor” is a fragment of a former tribal name, Weogora (that was a Brythonic name meaning “from the winding river”).
• “cester” comes from old English ceaster “a Roman town or city (from Latin castrum “fortified place.” (“Ce-” in old English was pronounced as the “ch” sound as in “chow.) All those “-caster” and “chester” place names trace back to Latin castrum.
• “shire” comes from Old English scir, “a jurisdiction, province, country,” etc. It harks back to Germanic roots (e.g., Old High German scira “official charge,” etc. Old English “sc-” was pronounced like “sh” in “she.”

But there’s more! Let’s trace it over time:
• Weogora “a tribal name” →
• Weogora civitis — civitis is an abstract noun formed from Latin civis; it means a social group of citizens more or less (691 CE) →
• Wigranceastre (Old English, 717 CE) →
• Wireceastre (1086 CE) →
• Worchester [wʊstəɹ] seems to be the preferred pronunciation

When people rarely do try to say “Worcestershire” it comes out more like [wʊɹʃtəʃiɹ]. It sounds like they have a mouthful of oatmeal. That’s why many of us usually just say “could you pass the sauce, please?” Or just secretly put it on during cooking or marination and don’t say the name to anyone.

Vote Count 1.04
TheFlyingBoat (4): bozo, rdr, Eden, Bona
Chaqa (3): HungryBunny, BK, Koala
BunnyGo (3): brain, Flum, damo
Bonatogether (2): swordsy, ghug
Fluminator (1): Chaqa,
Swordsman3003 (1): Boat

Bunny is endvoting
No Fish Votes

TheFlyingBoat has a leak, and might sink,

Around 5 and a half hours left before the sun sets.

[Bonatogether]

bungus and boat man are being read into too much

checkers has done something ai but i do not know what

[President Eden]

bungus and boat man are being read into too much

checkers has done something ai but i do not know what

Elaborate

[BunnyGo]

thank you both for your answers.

youre also still both not solving the game and I know you both to like solving a game. Therefore youre both scum.

good day

What’s to solve?

Bofa spammed so hard half the players aren’t reading. I’d vote him for a quieter thread.

Several players haven’t showed at all.

Jamie hates being caught for dumb reasons early. Like really hates it. I’m wondering if that was the “rage”?

Koala seems off, but it’s D1 of his second game.

Whoever tried a Bozo quiz was bad idea.

And I’m still ending on chaqa. But want to vote Jamie/bofa/lurker

Can you explain how Koala is off? I've never played with them before.
What's wrong with a Bozo quiz?

Bunny, do you have a scumread yet? Or is the Chaqa vote developed to being a real vote?

I was starting to...but you're now clear...

Bona and Chaqa are now my top "at least they'll be gone" votes.

Why did you begin to scumread me? In your posting you had thrown a lot of shade on Jamiet, no mention of that read here but me instead? Can you give me more of your thought process?

@flum: still cool with my vote

Do you think Chaqa is scum, or is this more a policy vote?

Your interacting with Jamie seemed off. I often get scummy vibes when people respond in ways that seem over the top.

With Chaqa, I don’t even know what to think. Certainly policy vote. I have no actual scumreads here. It’s been so much kerfuffle that it’s hard to know anything.

[BunnyGo]

Yep, Eden reaction was soulless. Not sure I want to vote him only because of this.

The thing is I've now got such a wide townpool my scum POE is pretty narrow.

Who are on your townpool? Mine isn't that big: Bona, Koala, Bozo, Brain, maybe Ghug.

Why koala? What are you seeing there?

[BunnyGo]

GM NOTE, FACTS, and VOTE COUNT
Two less-than-random facts. First, Koala sleep for over 18 hours out of each day. Second, bunnies eat their own (and each other’s) feces.

VOTE COUNT 1.3
Chaqa (4): HungryBunny, Eden, BK, Koala
Fluminator (2): Chaqa, Bona
Bonatogether (2): swordsy, ghug
BunnyGo (2): brain, Flum
TheFlyingBoat (2): bozo, rdr
Swordsman3003 (1): Boat
President Eden (1): damo

Bunny is endvoting

Fish has not voted yet. FISH, VOTE!!!!
Chaqa is presently headed for the Great Chipotle in the Sky

Around 8 hours and 9 minutes left in this day.

It’s delicious! Elephants do it too!

[BunnyGo]

I townread everyone on my wagon except maybe Bunny

for what reasons

Eden hasn't played scum in like... 20 years, idk he's really old, so I feel like he'd seem much more off if he were scum. That said, he's not locktown by any means, I'd say he's like in the 60 to 75% range.

BK just screams new town to me, but I think it was said (he?) has played mafia before?

Koala I'm giving a vague newbie pass to but he does seem engaged and is thinking critically, similar to last game.

Re: Bunny - he's hard for me to read until he gets drunk

For the record that was all acting last game. I sent Jamie messages during it sober that I thought he’d pass on to GT. I needed a way to not let scum realize I was the tracker while also dropping some intel. I decided to play as uselessly as I could.

[BunnyGo]

That is to say, I’m sad my intentionally useless and crazy play makes you think I’m town.