MAFIA 39 - GAME THREAD

[DemonRHK]

@y2k: If damo is scum, what was that make you think of xorx? Do you think damo was trying to bus and MF counter bussed or that MF just tried to park it on him first and xorx is a non-factor?

[DemonRHK]

Triple xpost, ignore question

[y2kjbk]

I don't think damo is scum. Now i think scum is ##VOTE Tom Bombadil

[y2kjbk]

It was his somewhat errant post about damo that got me to scrutizine damo, and when that turned from a scum to a town read quickly, I zeroed in on Tom. He chimed in with Moscow expressing a desire for the cannons not to be fired last night, which I think was probably a bit of a coordinated acknowledgement from scum that they had to dissuade cannon fire because they knew it was all in the hands of town.

[y2kjbk]

man.

I sit out a bunch of games in a row. Get excited to get back in, and I can't even instantly vote ND? What kind of shit is this?

On top of that, whats the point of having cannons if they aren't hipfired without reasoning?

I think I like xorxes reasoning, but it might be a better play come N2. At least then when collectively deciding targets we have at least a bit to help us try to aim correctly.

Yello. Good to see everyone again.

I don't know about firing a cannon this early. We're basically taking a shot in the dark, right? How exactly will this help?

[y2kjbk]

Doesn't Tom seemingly contradict himself in the same post, saying cannons are best hipfired but should be saved for N2 when we have collective town info?

[peterlund]

The bot is up and running now for M39. To me not following the game yet (due to being on the elk hunt) it seems to be ok now. Needed to patch 1 line of code to make it to support N0 games as this is the first ever N0 game for the bot.

As usual you find it at http://mafia.peterlund.se

If there are any more issues I expect to GMs to PM me.

[xorxes]

I had the same feeling about Xorxes, too focused on mechanics and claims, looks a lot like when he was scum with me. I know it's a bit of OMGUS, but his comment about me looks like a lot more like just throwing shade then actual scum hunting.

OK, direct question then: Why did you not express any opinion about my cannons plan? That's the type of thing I would expect you to at least make some comment on.

I also suspect Squigs. I was really afraid of him last two games as scum and this game he looks just coasting. If we had PRs it could be an explanation, but we don't have.

I will look into that.

And I need to re-read this exchange you mention from Moscow, but without the bot it won't be now.

It appears that peterbot is working now. Yay!

[xorxes]

Doesn't Tom seemingly contradict himself in the same post, saying cannons are best hipfired but should be saved for N2 when we have collective town info?

I think the hipfire thing was meant as a joke.

[y2kjbk]

Ok sure. I think the main suspicion comes from the fact that anyone who is town was wanting cannons to go off and be accountable to the town ASAP, and given that it seems like it's almost certain that both cannons are in town hands, it makes sense for scum to start the game dissuading immediate cannon fire without thinking much about it.

[Durga]

##vote demonrhk I still don't understand why there *has* to be one between those three

[Jamiet99uk]

GM NOTE

Thank you, Peterlund. Players, you are permitted to +1 Peterlund.

[y2kjbk]

Well, they were clearly privately thinking "oh shit we don't have any of the cannons".

[xorxes]

Reread Sqiggs. He was not happy with my cannons plan but I'm not sure if that's enough to find him scummy. I don't really know his meta to make much of what I read so far.

[damo666]

Worcej - you may want to unvote; the bot is still picking you up as voting for Moscow.

[y2kjbk]

That sounds a lot like the reasoning for not lynching D1.

If we mis-shoot, we will still have the votes from N1 to analyze and they will inform our D1 lynch.

That's fair. Really fair actually. If we treat the guns just like a lynch, then essentially we are making the day start today versus it being a night phase.

I like this idea. I don't like normally having gunshots be decided by voting when they are for sure in the hands of town, but in this scenario I guess I like the voting method because it gives the most info - even if it allows mafia influence.

Plus, that means we can shoot ND, which would be neat.

No, this is not like a day one no Lynch. If you don't Lynch day one, you don't get it back. If you don't shoot your cannon night one, you get to use it later when you actually have info to go off of.
Is Xorxes really convincing the town to waste cannon shots on an almost random chance?

This sounds to me like Squigs is honestly concerned with cannons firing their one shot on zero info, which was my gut reaction as well to xorxes' plan. But for Tom, you have someone who was so willing to switch his mind about it being good to use the guns when nudged by xorxes when I think he realized he messed up by unilaterally asking the guns to hold until N2.

[Jamiet99uk]

Vote Count 1.3

Worcej (1) - Squigs44
Durga (1) - Ghug
ND (1) - Tom Bombadil
Snowy801 (1) - Brainbomb
Ghug (1) - Damo666
Tom Bombadil (1) - y2kjbk
DemonRHK (1) - Durga

Currently NOBODY is set to be lynched.

You have 30 hours remaining in Day 1.

[y2kjbk]

And the fact the Tom was nudged by the argument that what he was saying was a transformed argument for D1 no-lynch also betrays Tom knowing the guns were both in town hands.

[damo666]

Anybody else think ghug's vote on Durga is odd?

[DemonRHK]

@durga: I explained as well as I could. Not to mention in a pool of 3 people with 3 scum left there’s better than average odds one of them is likely to be scum. Why are you indirectly defending someone that’s voting you up?