MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[Balki Bartokomous]

I feel like bo is super obv town, but that's me.

I think worc is mafia, but I'd vote yavu.

@Chaqa, why did you think Bo was "super obv town"? (This was during Day 2)

It's all vibes, man. I still think he's town.

But I thought you were saying a moment ago that you were keen to flashwagon Bo and so that should unpair the two of you?

[Balki Bartokomous]

I am literally a PR.

What's going on here, @Chaqa? What is the point of this post?

I'm definitely a person who can understand that there are reasons, as VT, to fake a claim. Here you are using the fake claim as a one-line defense to a push on you. That seems pretty disingenuous. Why did you do this?

Honestly?

I didn't want to get into an argument with worcej, who I was pretty convinced was fake claiming

Why did you keep doing it with regard to others besides worcej as well?

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa, why did you think Bo was "super obv town"? (This was during Day 2)

It's all vibes, man. I still think he's town.

But I thought you were saying a moment ago that you were keen to flashwagon Bo and so that should unpair the two of you?

Man, are you going to be shocked when I die in a few hours and flip VT.

[Chaqa]

What's going on here, @Chaqa? What is the point of this post?

I'm definitely a person who can understand that there are reasons, as VT, to fake a claim. Here you are using the fake claim as a one-line defense to a push on you. That seems pretty disingenuous. Why did you do this?

Honestly?

I didn't want to get into an argument with worcej, who I was pretty convinced was fake claiming

Why did you keep doing it with regard to others besides worcej as well?

For a deeply unsatisfying answer, I don't know.

[Balki Bartokomous]

There is a whole episode early Day 2 where Bo votes Chaqa. He doesn't really say much to convince anyone else, he just say things like:

Sure, I'm in ##VOTE Chaqa

Yay, we're doing something productive now

You expressed interest in voting Chaqa a few hours ago, are you still interested in that?

A bit later, with Chaqa still at 2 vote, Bo walks off and essentally kills that wagon:

I never really had any intention of keeping Chaqa up top, but I saw an opportunity to help worcej get his head back in the game and took it

Certainly consistent with distancing.

[Chaqa]

Just in general, like, do you guys keep detailed mental (or physical) notes of *why* you do everything you do? Do you stop and think through "if I do X, it may result in Y?"

Because like, if so, I don't. At all.

My mafia playstyle is simple: I do things.

Asking me questions after the fact, especially more than like a few hours later, is likely going to be met with a crafted, sarcastic, or unhelpful response, because I literally do not have the answers you want, but feel I must provide them.

ugh, this starts to feel like therapy lol

[BunnyGo]

For my activity, sorry I haven't been around as much, I had a pretty awful weekend with some personal stuff and then I got sick, but I should be around more tonight and tomorrow.

For the PR's, I do think worcej's doctor claim is truthful, and I would be open to flipping someone like chaqa because I don't believe his claim

This isn't quite unpairing to me between lfischl and Chaqa, but it gives me slight town points for lfischl in the event that Chaqa is scum.

I’ve been on a team with Chaqa and kgray where they just agreed to bus each other every day for any reason they could. Worked great. I award fish 0 town points regardless of Chaqa’s alignment.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Day 2 Vote Count With 80 Minutes Left

yavuzovic(3) - bozotheclown, damo666, rdrivera2005
worcej(2) - KoalaAttack(END), yavuzovic
Ghug(2) - BunnyGo, bo_sox48
bo_sox48(2) - worcej, ghug
BunnyGo(1) - Balki Bartokomous
Balki Bartokomous(1) - Chaqa

Lfischl has yet to vote.

[Chaqa]

For my activity, sorry I haven't been around as much, I had a pretty awful weekend with some personal stuff and then I got sick, but I should be around more tonight and tomorrow.

For the PR's, I do think worcej's doctor claim is truthful, and I would be open to flipping someone like chaqa because I don't believe his claim

This isn't quite unpairing to me between lfischl and Chaqa, but it gives me slight town points for lfischl in the event that Chaqa is scum.

I’ve been on a team with Chaqa and kgray where they just agreed to bus each other every day for any reason they could. Worked great. I award fish 0 town points regardless of Chaqa’s alignment.

That was a fun one. We were chainsawing each other hard.

That may have been the game I told brain was the Godfather, too.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I would like to provide VOTE COUNT 2.6:

yavuzovic(3) - bozotheclown, damo666, rdrivera2005
worcej(2) - KoalaAttack(END), yavuzovic
Ghug(2) - BunnyGo, bo_sox48
bo_sox48(2) - worcej, ghug
BunnyGo(1) - Balki Bartokomous
Balki Bartokomous(1) - Chaqa

At present Yavuzovic is at the top of this list.

A bit more than an hour is left.

Lfischl has yet to vote.

well if no one votes chaqa I guess I'll vote yav ##vote yav

This is the kind of thing that a scum!lfischl might say who is paired with scum!chaqa

[worcej]

Just in general, like, do you guys keep detailed mental (or physical) notes of *why* you do everything you do? Do you stop and think through "if I do X, it may result in Y?"

Because like, if so, I don't. At all.

My mafia playstyle is simple: I do things.

Asking me questions after the fact, especially more than like a few hours later, is likely going to be met with a crafted, sarcastic, or unhelpful response, because I literally do not have the answers you want, but feel I must provide them.

ugh, this starts to feel like therapy lol

So you're unable to provide an explanation on your thought process upon request?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Vote Count With Five Minutes Left in Day 2

Ole Dargo scratches some things off the blackboard, and scratches some new things on.
It now reads:
Bo_sox48 (4) ghug, yavu, worcej, bozo
Yavuzovic (3) damo, rdr, lflisch
Ghug (2) bunny, bo
Worcej (1) Koala
BunnyGo (1) balki
Balki Bartokomous (1) Chaqa

Bo is set to be bedazzled
Five more minutes

If Bo is scum, then the bad guys were in trouble here...

[Chaqa]

Just in general, like, do you guys keep detailed mental (or physical) notes of *why* you do everything you do? Do you stop and think through "if I do X, it may result in Y?"

Because like, if so, I don't. At all.

My mafia playstyle is simple: I do things.

Asking me questions after the fact, especially more than like a few hours later, is likely going to be met with a crafted, sarcastic, or unhelpful response, because I literally do not have the answers you want, but feel I must provide them.

ugh, this starts to feel like therapy lol

So you're unable to provide an explanation on your thought process upon request?

I mean, in general, I can, but it really doesn't go too deep.

I saw a VT role PM, thought that was boring, and thought I'd have some fun pretending to be the Watcher, and rolled with it in the hopes maybe I'd screw with mafia. I withdrew it when it felt appropriate to do so, to me.

That's about all I have to say, really.

I legitimately thought you were scum until I slept on it and things played out more.

[Balki Bartokomous]

In the final 5 minutes, three townies switch to yav!

(koala, ghug, worcej)

Hmmm...

That was very lucky if Bo is scum.

FINAL Vote Count

Yavuzovic (6) damo, rdr, lflisch, Koala, worcej, ghug
Bo_sox48 (2) bozo, yavu,
Ghug (2) bunny, bo
BunnyGo (1) balki
Balki Bartokomous (1) Chaqa


Please PM the GM’s ASAP with corrections (5 minutes)

Here is another thing: If Bo is scum, ghug becomes a strange kill. Because if Bo is scum, ghug is one of the three players who saved Bo. I feel like a scum team with Bo on it might want to keep ghug around for a mischop later.

Hmmmm....

##vote chaqa

[Chaqa]

But like, questions like "why did you do X thing even though Y thing at this time a few days ago" I can't really get.

This is a problem I run into a lot with just flat out not remembering things, so it's not just mafia specific. Eden or Bona could attest to this if they were around this game.

[worcej]

Just in general, like, do you guys keep detailed mental (or physical) notes of *why* you do everything you do? Do you stop and think through "if I do X, it may result in Y?"

Because like, if so, I don't. At all.

My mafia playstyle is simple: I do things.

Asking me questions after the fact, especially more than like a few hours later, is likely going to be met with a crafted, sarcastic, or unhelpful response, because I literally do not have the answers you want, but feel I must provide them.

ugh, this starts to feel like therapy lol

So you're unable to provide an explanation on your thought process upon request?

I mean, in general, I can, but it really doesn't go too deep.

I saw a VT role PM, thought that was boring, and thought I'd have some fun pretending to be the Watcher, and rolled with it in the hopes maybe I'd screw with mafia. I withdrew it when it felt appropriate to do so, to me.

That's about all I have to say, really.

I legitimately thought you were scum until I slept on it and things played out more.

I believe your thought process and reasoning - you've done this in the past and it's within your playstyle imho

[worcej]

In the final 5 minutes, three townies switch to yav!

(koala, ghug, worcej)

Hmmm...

That was very lucky if Bo is scum.

FINAL Vote Count

Yavuzovic (6) damo, rdr, lflisch, Koala, worcej, ghug
Bo_sox48 (2) bozo, yavu,
Ghug (2) bunny, bo
BunnyGo (1) balki
Balki Bartokomous (1) Chaqa


Please PM the GM’s ASAP with corrections (5 minutes)

Here is another thing: If Bo is scum, ghug becomes a strange kill. Because if Bo is scum, ghug is one of the three players who saved Bo. I feel like a scum team with Bo on it might want to keep ghug around for a mischop later.

Hmmmm....

##vote chaqa

I don't agree with your analysis here - ghug moved only because of koala's tie. Same reason we did too.

ghug was actively scumming bo at the time.

[Chaqa]

I think it's possible scum!Balki realized he needed to put some effort in to make himself the deep threat, but he also wouldn't say no to miskilling me.

[Balki Bartokomous]

In the final 5 minutes, three townies switch to yav!

(koala, ghug, worcej)

Hmmm...

That was very lucky if Bo is scum.

FINAL Vote Count

Yavuzovic (6) damo, rdr, lflisch, Koala, worcej, ghug
Bo_sox48 (2) bozo, yavu,
Ghug (2) bunny, bo
BunnyGo (1) balki
Balki Bartokomous (1) Chaqa


Please PM the GM’s ASAP with corrections (5 minutes)

Here is another thing: If Bo is scum, ghug becomes a strange kill. Because if Bo is scum, ghug is one of the three players who saved Bo. I feel like a scum team with Bo on it might want to keep ghug around for a mischop later.

Hmmmm....

##vote chaqa

I don't agree with your analysis here - ghug moved only because of koala's tie. Same reason we did too.

ghug was actively scumming bo at the time.

Yeah, I think you're probably right. The vote was enough of a runaway that ghug wouldn't likely be blamed for saving Bo.

[Balki Bartokomous]

##vote Bo_sox48

I'm interested in chopping Bo or Chaqa today.