MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[Balki Bartokomous]

I’d really like Bo to come play or get a sub.

Barring the unforeseen, Bunny, Koala, and worcej are clear Town, which is lovely.

[bozotheclown]

OK, some player vote analysis:

Day 1 final wagon

Wagon # Voters
pyxxy (5) BunnyGo bozotheclown Hamilton Brian bo_sox48 yavuzovic
worcej (3) ghug Chaqa lfischl
BunnyGo (2) Balki Bartokomous pyxxy
bozotheclown (1) KoalaAttack
rdrivera2005 (1) damo666
ghug (1) worcej
damo666 (1) rdrivera2005

the greenish color for confirmed town, the worcej color for the only current claimed PR.

Some movement things to note:

when bozo followed me onto pyxxy, he suggested that ghug might have been pocketing pyxxy.

when bo_sox broke the 3-3 worcej/pyxxy tie, he moved OFF of lfischl after saying fish had a good response. Justified it as active vs. inactive; said he didn't think worcej nor I were townie but at least active.

Day 2:

yavuzovic (6) damo666 rdrivera2005 lfischl KoalaAttack worcej ghug
ghug (2) BunnyGo bo_sox48
bo_sox48 (2) bozotheclown yavuzovic
BunnyGo (1) Balki Bartokomous
Balki Bartokomous (1) Chaqa

The big actions were:

yav, worcej, then bozo putting bo_sox in the lead with 16 minutes to go in quick succession and dropping ghug from contention.

10 minutes later, yav panics and runs to vote Koala, which ties the vote, then back to bo.

Koala then ties it up by voting for his strongest town read (at least as near as I can tell from his screeds). After that, worcej and ghug vote to not have a tie.

Another thing to note: Balki is so scared of my prowess as scum that he thinks I'm the whole scum team and refuses to vote for one of his other "scum reads" day 2 that had a chance of being a leading wagon (ghug).

I was actually responding to ghug's town read of pyxxy by saying pyxxy could have been pocketing Chaqa, but that is irrelevant now.

[Balki Bartokomous]

3 scum in this pool:

Balki, Chaqa, Damo, Lficshl, rdr, Bo, Bozo

3 town clears.

[BunnyGo]

Hmm. Rereading that does make Bo look good. He picked up on 2 PRs and broke a TvT tie.

##unvote

[bozotheclown]

Question for the group: why kill ghug?

It could be because ghug had good reads, PR hunting, or to remove an active player, among other things. Considering ghug was in contention for the D2 DK, I think they must have considered him a threat in some way.

[BunnyGo]

@balki:

If scum have hooker &/or strongman, shouldn’t they have offed worcej last night to be done with a guessing game?

Or were they scared of watcher?

[Balki Bartokomous]

@balki:

If scum have hooker &/or strongman, shouldn’t they have offed worcej last night to be done with a guessing game?

Or were they scared of watcher?

Assuming Bo is not a PR, worcej is hard clear town, so who knows why scum did not try to kill him. Most likely reason is that they were trying to avoid getting caught by watcher/tracker.

Ghug is usually a smart kill anyway.

[damo666]

I still have the idea of group action after I got screwed by last one – but fine, I'm a PR. Now I'll be out for most of the day, good luck.

Could you stop self voting first?

It’s NOT helping your team win…whomever that team is

OK, ask and you shall receive – refer back to Thought B :)

##vote BunnyGo

@Koala you do realise your vote implies you believe Bo is a non-doctor PR. What is your evidence for this? I think you should rethink your vote.

[Chaqa]

It does if you're scum.

If there's one thing I am guaranteed to never do as scum, it's kill ghug.

Why?

I just don’t

[bozotheclown]

Question for the group: why kill ghug?

Because he's a strong PR claiming town player.


The more interesting question is why not kill Worcej or Chaqa?

Maybe they were frightened to kill Worcej due to watcher possibility.

But why not kill Chaqa ? Worcej was not gonna save him was he?

So either Chaqa is scum or scum want to confuse and let us conclude Chaqa is scum.

Off worcej could (also) be scum. If not I'd like to know who he saved, ghug should have been high on the list so I'm curious.

A self save and a possible watcher are reason why the mafia might want to avoid worcej.

I think the watcher is the most useful role on the PR list, if Chaqa fake claimed watcher as town he risked revealing the real watcher for minimal gain (the possibility of drawing a NK). Trying to identify the real watcher as mafia is a possibility.

[damo666]

3 scum in this pool:

Balki, Chaqa, Damo, Lficshl, rdr, Bo, Bozo

3 town clears.

Balki includes himself. Double bluff or completeness?

My current guess is Chaqa, Bozo and one of Balki/lfischl/rdr [that order].

[damo666]

Question for the group: why kill ghug?

Because he's a strong PR claiming town player.


The more interesting question is why not kill Worcej or Chaqa?

Maybe they were frightened to kill Worcej due to watcher possibility.

But why not kill Chaqa ? Worcej was not gonna save him was he?

So either Chaqa is scum or scum want to confuse and let us conclude Chaqa is scum.

Off worcej could (also) be scum. If not I'd like to know who he saved, ghug should have been high on the list so I'm curious.

A self save and a possible watcher are reason why the mafia might want to avoid worcej.

I think the watcher is the most useful role on the PR list, if Chaqa fake claimed watcher as town he risked revealing the real watcher for minimal gain (the possibility of drawing a NK). Trying to identify the real watcher as mafia is a possibility.

Maybe not Bozo Chaqa then.

Chaqa plus 2 from {lfischl, rdr, Balki}

##vote Chaqa

[Chaqa]

Im gonna be egotistical here and make a strong claim that the ghug kill only really makes sense if mafia believed I could be watcher.

Given I was turning hard on ghug being scum, they may have believed he was the least likely person to receive a doctor visit or for me to watch.

[BunnyGo]

Im gonna be egotistical here and make a strong claim that the ghug kill only really makes sense if mafia believed I could be watcher.

Given I was turning hard on ghug being scum, they may have believed he was the least likely person to receive a doctor visit or for me to watch.

Or was it a fit of rage about your chipotle order?

[Chaqa]

Im gonna be egotistical here and make a strong claim that the ghug kill only really makes sense if mafia believed I could be watcher.

Given I was turning hard on ghug being scum, they may have believed he was the least likely person to receive a doctor visit or for me to watch.

Or was it a fit of rage about your chipotle order?

I would never, chipotle is sacred

[bozotheclown]

Could you stop self voting first?

It’s NOT helping your team win…whomever that team is

OK, ask and you shall receive – refer back to Thought B :)

##vote BunnyGo

A non-specfic PR claimant voting another non-specific PR claimant when there are only 3 PR claimants is bizarre in the extreme.

KoalaAttack just did that because BunnyGo was pushing him to not self vote.

[damo666]

Im gonna be egotistical here and make a strong claim that the ghug kill only really makes sense if mafia believed I could be watcher.

Given I was turning hard on ghug being scum, they may have believed he was the least likely person to receive a doctor visit or for me to watch.

Then why wouldn't they have NKd you?

[BunnyGo]

Im gonna be egotistical here and make a strong claim that the ghug kill only really makes sense if mafia believed I could be watcher.

Given I was turning hard on ghug being scum, they may have believed he was the least likely person to receive a doctor visit or for me to watch.

Or was it a fit of rage about your chipotle order?

I would never, chipotle is sacred

Am I next for calling out their union busting?

[damo666]

OK, ask and you shall receive – refer back to Thought B :)

##vote BunnyGo

A non-specfic PR claimant voting another non-specific PR claimant when there are only 3 PR claimants is bizarre in the extreme.

KoalaAttack just did that because BunnyGo was pushing him to not self vote.

He should use his vote more wisely.

[bozotheclown]

Hmm. Rereading that does make Bo look good. He picked up on 2 PRs and broke a TvT tie.

##unvote

What were rereading, D1?

I think breaking a T vs. T tie is NAI. I remember considering at the end of M1023 that for lfischl and damo to be scum and Chaqa to be town, lfischl and damo would have both voted to break a T vs. T tie D1, which it turned out they did.