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Re: MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

#1401 Post by worcej » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:23 am

ghug wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:22 am
ghug wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:17 am
Chaqa wrote:
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brown rice, black beans, chicken, pico, cheese
zzzzzzzźzzzzzz
I'm sorry but I can't let this go. Who the fuck only gets pico?
I haven’t been to a chipotle in awhile so I cannot remember the topping options anymore

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#1402 Post by worcej » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:31 am

Things I learned from EOD2:
  1. Koala wanted to protect Bo. He can hide behind wanting to cause chaos, but the more clear thing is he wanted bo to live.
  2. chug and myself were the only people willing to attempt to break the tie, both having to abandon Bo in the process.
  3. Balki is very active but not interested in having his vote matter when the votes are close - almost as if he was happy with either result.

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#1403 Post by worcej » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:31 am

Hahaha, auto correcting ghug to chug just made my night
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#1404 Post by ghug » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:32 am

worcej wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:23 am
ghug wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:22 am
ghug wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:17 am


zzzzzzzźzzzzzz
I'm sorry but I can't let this go. Who the fuck only gets pico?
I haven’t been to a chipotle in awhile so I cannot remember the topping options anymore
There's a corn salsa and two (medium/hot) pureed salsas. And then like lettuce and sour cream and guac and I think they have queso now?

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#1405 Post by worcej » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:34 am

ghug wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:32 am
worcej wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:23 am
ghug wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:22 am


I'm sorry but I can't let this go. Who the fuck only gets pico?
I haven’t been to a chipotle in awhile so I cannot remember the topping options anymore
There's a corn salsa and two (medium/hot) pureed salsas. And then like lettuce and sour cream and guac and I think they have queso now?
I am married to someone who doesn’t like eggs - people have weird things about food sometimes.

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#1406 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:37 am

@koalaattack, you have one vote, just like everyone else. You don’t need to feel any more responsible than everyone else who voted for a Town player, and that is most of the Town (could even be all of the Town).

You especially don’t need to take shame from players who know now they voted incorrectly, especially when they justified their votes by something other than “I thought this person was likely to be scum.”

That was a horrid day for Town. I am going to focus on the things I can do better.

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#1407 Post by ghug » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:41 am

worcej wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:34 am
ghug wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:32 am
worcej wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:23 am
I haven’t been to a chipotle in awhile so I cannot remember the topping options anymore
There's a corn salsa and two (medium/hot) pureed salsas. And then like lettuce and sour cream and guac and I think they have queso now?
I am married to someone who doesn’t like eggs - people have weird things about food sometimes.
Sure, everyone's got their tastes, but he clearly likes the ingredients in salsa if he's getting pico. That burrito is bland as fuck.

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#1408 Post by worcej » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:42 am

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:37 am
@koalaattack, you have one vote, just like everyone else. You don’t need to feel any more responsible than everyone else who voted for a Town player, and that is most of the Town (could even be all of the Town).

You especially don’t need to take shame from players who know now they voted incorrectly, especially when they justified their votes by something other than “I thought this person was likely to be scum.”

That was a horrid day for Town. I am going to focus on the things I can do better.
So I should have not moved my vote off Bo and let the tie just happen? Would that have been a better day Balki?

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#1409 Post by worcej » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:43 am

ghug wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:41 am
worcej wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:34 am
ghug wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:32 am


There's a corn salsa and two (medium/hot) pureed salsas. And then like lettuce and sour cream and guac and I think they have queso now?
I am married to someone who doesn’t like eggs - people have weird things about food sometimes.
Sure, everyone's got their tastes, but he clearly likes the ingredients in salsa if he's getting pico. That burrito is bland as fuck.
Doesn’t pico have spice?

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#1410 Post by Chaqa » Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:58 am

ghug wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:22 am
ghug wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:17 am
Chaqa wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:08 am


brown rice, black beans, chicken, pico, cheese
zzzzzzzźzzzzzz
I'm sorry but I can't let this go. Who the fuck only gets pico?
I don't really like guac or queso.

Sour cream is fine, but I usually add it at home if at all

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#1411 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:27 am

worcej wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:42 am
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:37 am
@koalaattack, you have one vote, just like everyone else. You don’t need to feel any more responsible than everyone else who voted for a Town player, and that is most of the Town (could even be all of the Town).

You especially don’t need to take shame from players who know now they voted incorrectly, especially when they justified their votes by something other than “I thought this person was likely to be scum.”

That was a horrid day for Town. I am going to focus on the things I can do better.
So I should have not moved my vote off Bo and let the tie just happen? Would that have been a better day Balki?
My advice is to do your best to identify who is most likely to be scum, and vote for that person. Let that be your North Star.

When we make mistakes, as we all will do, let’s focus inward on what we can do better.

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#1412 Post by worcej » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:29 am

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:27 am
worcej wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:42 am
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:37 am
@koalaattack, you have one vote, just like everyone else. You don’t need to feel any more responsible than everyone else who voted for a Town player, and that is most of the Town (could even be all of the Town).

You especially don’t need to take shame from players who know now they voted incorrectly, especially when they justified their votes by something other than “I thought this person was likely to be scum.”

That was a horrid day for Town. I am going to focus on the things I can do better.
So I should have not moved my vote off Bo and let the tie just happen? Would that have been a better day Balki?
My advice is to do your best to identify who is most likely to be scum, and vote for that person. Let that be your North Star.

When we make mistakes, as we all will do, let’s focus inward on what we can do better.
That’s not an answer to my question.

Would a tie have been better?

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#1413 Post by ghug » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:33 am

worcej wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:43 am
ghug wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:41 am
worcej wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:34 am
I am married to someone who doesn’t like eggs - people have weird things about food sometimes.
Sure, everyone's got their tastes, but he clearly likes the ingredients in salsa if he's getting pico. That burrito is bland as fuck.
Doesn’t pico have spice?
Pico is lovely when it's nice and fresh or paired with additional salsa.

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#1414 Post by worcej » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:36 am

ghug wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:33 am
worcej wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:43 am
ghug wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:41 am


Sure, everyone's got their tastes, but he clearly likes the ingredients in salsa if he's getting pico. That burrito is bland as fuck.
Doesn’t pico have spice?
Pico is lovely when it's nice and fresh or paired with additional salsa.
Considering it’s a fast food chain, I imagine it’s meh

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#1415 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:36 am

worcej wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:29 am
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:27 am
worcej wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:42 am
So I should have not moved my vote off Bo and let the tie just happen? Would that have been a better day Balki?
My advice is to do your best to identify who is most likely to be scum, and vote for that person. Let that be your North Star.

When we make mistakes, as we all will do, let’s focus inward on what we can do better.
That’s not an answer to my question.

Would a tie have been better?
Well that’s a complicated question.

At the core, having Yav alive is better than having Yav dead.

But perhaps just as important: we need Town focused on identifying scum and voting based on who is scum. If we let people get away with “sorry guys, I didn’t want to see a tie,” then we let scum hide behind that too.

Sometimes it makes sense to vote on one of the two leading wagons to make sure your vote matters. That is especially true as scum become a higher proportion of players. But I am generally skeptical of players who (a) vote to kill town, (b) justify their vote with something other than “I thought he was scum because X”, and then (c) try to throw shade at other players for voting the same way.

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#1416 Post by worcej » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:38 am

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:36 am
worcej wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:29 am
Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:27 am

My advice is to do your best to identify who is most likely to be scum, and vote for that person. Let that be your North Star.

When we make mistakes, as we all will do, let’s focus inward on what we can do better.
That’s not an answer to my question.

Would a tie have been better?
Well that’s a complicated question.

At the core, having Yav alive is better than having Yav dead.

But perhaps just as important: we need Town focused on identifying scum and voting based on who is scum. If we let people get away with “sorry guys, I didn’t want to see a tie,” then we let scum hide behind that too.

Sometimes it makes sense to vote on one of the two leading wagons to make sure your vote matters. That is especially true as scum become a higher proportion of players. But I am generally skeptical of players who (a) vote to kill town, (b) justify their vote with something other than “I thought he was scum because X”, and then (c) try to throw shade at other players for voting the same way.
This is a yes or no question that you seem unable, or unwilling, to make a conclusion on.

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#1417 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:41 am

I’m quite capable. I don’t like your vote. I don’t like chopping townies. Please think about your own mistakes and focus on doing better.

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#1418 Post by worcej » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:43 am

The simple and correct answer is no - a tie is fucking horrible to town.

I’ll concede that generating a tie created information, but you have to actually find value in the information generated for this to be good and I don’t see anything valuable gained here other than we killed the highest lurker in the game.

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#1419 Post by worcej » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:47 am

Balki Bartokomous wrote:
Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:41 am
I’m quite capable. I don’t like your vote. I don’t like chopping townies. Please think about your own mistakes and focus on doing better.
You clearly are incapable.

I didn’t make a mistake of reads and quite frankly called it early that the yavu wagon was bad. My vote was forced to ensure at least we learned something instead of nothing.

You said D2 was bad and you’re 100% right, so let’s analyze why that was shall we?

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#1420 Post by Balki Bartokomous » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:48 am

Okay, well congratulations on your heroism.

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