MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[rdrivera2005]

All cards on the table Koala - if you're town, you're probably going to make it to milo and be a liability because you're demonstrating the inability to adapt your opinions and are tunneling me for multiple phases so far.

I agree with you in some points Worcej (him being alive at milo, a logic frame that is too rigid for Mafia). But do you think this is the best way to approach him? Everybody tunnels, do you know "confirmation bias"? Like you said if you are town Doc Mafia will need to flip you sooner or later and he will need to re-think the game.

At this point, you are just hiighjacking the thread.

Do I think it is the best course of action to murder koala? No - I am optimistic that they will figure out how to be less logic based and interpret the game differently as the game goes on.

I guess I am hijacking the thread at the time, but it wasn’t like I was stifling any other conversation (no one else was talking)

Fine, I was pointing your approach wasn't working on him. I guess scum (and maybe some townies) were just quiet because there were two townies arguing. Now that we got some wagon movement people started to talk again. Or maybe it's just because EOD is closer.

[damo666]

Another reason Chaqa is unlikely to be town PR is there is a maximum of only one left.
It is pretty obvious Koala is gambler.

The shocking thing here is Damo being so blunt in “public” about this makes me want to town him over anything else.

Ofc I'm town.

[worcej]

Another reason Chaqa is unlikely to be town PR is there is a maximum of only one left.
It is pretty obvious Koala is gambler.

News to me (re: Koala)

And I do not retract my claim.

It’s pretty comedic worcej is voting for a claimed PR while crying about being a claimed PR under suspicion

I already addressed this somewhat, but your claim and everything about how you’re playing has come off as not serious. You made a joke post about your action you did.

All scum roles are PRs - so you could be entirely right with your claim, you’re just scum.

[Chaqa]

There are 2 PR claimants voting each other. Something ain't right.

I thought I had switched to yav tbh.

##Vote yavu

[damo666]

I do not have the ability to track, unfortunately.

Watch then?

All I will say is that is one of the more optimal options.

Watcher voting hardclaimed doc makes no sense.

[damo666]

There are 2 PR claimants voting each other. Something ain't right.

I thought I had switched to yav tbh.

##Vote yavu

You may ignore my subsequent post.

[worcej]

There are 2 PR claimants voting each other. Something ain't right.

Do you think Chaqa issued a legit claim?

[rdrivera2005]

There are 2 PR claimants voting each other. Something ain't right.

The point is that with this semi-open setup any scum going to be DKed will claim, it's the obvious thing to do, so any claim that can't be confirmed is weak by definition. And at this point I think if anyone can CC Worcej or Chaqa it's probably a good idea to do so, as we have only two miskills left and if all scum claim we just lose.

I find a bit weird you asking this kind of question, I don't remember you being bad at mechanics.

[rdrivera2005]

Another reason Chaqa is unlikely to be town PR is there is a maximum of only one left.
It is pretty obvious Koala is gambler.

The shocking thing here is Damo being so blunt in “public” about this makes me want to town him over anything else.

Ofc I'm town.

I don't think Koala is gambler (he wants to sacrifice himself) and don't give any town points to Damo for pointing this.

[worcej]

I agree with you in some points Worcej (him being alive at milo, a logic frame that is too rigid for Mafia). But do you think this is the best way to approach him? Everybody tunnels, do you know "confirmation bias"? Like you said if you are town Doc Mafia will need to flip you sooner or later and he will need to re-think the game.

At this point, you are just hiighjacking the thread.

Do I think it is the best course of action to murder koala? No - I am optimistic that they will figure out how to be less logic based and interpret the game differently as the game goes on.

I guess I am hijacking the thread at the time, but it wasn’t like I was stifling any other conversation (no one else was talking)

Fine, I was pointing your approach wasn't working on him. I guess scum (and maybe some townies) were just quiet because there were two townies arguing. Now that we got some wagon movement people started to talk again. Or maybe it's just because EOD is closer.

True - how do you feel about Chaqa’s claim?

[damo666]

There are 2 PR claimants voting each other. Something ain't right.

Do you think Chaqa issued a legit claim?

I suspect he is vt

[BunnyGo]

There are 2 PR claimants voting each other. Something ain't right.

The point is that with this semi-open setup any scum going to be DKed will claim, it's the obvious thing to do, so any claim that can't be confirmed is weak by definition. And at this point I think if anyone can CC Worcej or Chaqa it's probably a good idea to do so, as we have only two miskills left and if all scum claim we just lose.

I find a bit weird you asking this kind of question, I don't remember you being bad at mechanics.

Do you think we should ask the remaining PR(s) to claim now? Soon? Just let them play their best?

[rdrivera2005]

Do I think it is the best course of action to murder koala? No - I am optimistic that they will figure out how to be less logic based and interpret the game differently as the game goes on.

I guess I am hijacking the thread at the time, but it wasn’t like I was stifling any other conversation (no one else was talking)

Fine, I was pointing your approach wasn't working on him. I guess scum (and maybe some townies) were just quiet because there were two townies arguing. Now that we got some wagon movement people started to talk again. Or maybe it's just because EOD is closer.

True - how do you feel about Chaqa’s claim?

I thought it was a joke. He stated it seriously this time and I don't really believe.
I asked him a question about the claim and I am still waiting his answer.

[damo666]

There are 2 PR claimants voting each other. Something ain't right.

The point is that with this semi-open setup any scum going to be DKed will claim, it's the obvious thing to do, so any claim that can't be confirmed is weak by definition. And at this point I think if anyone can CC Worcej or Chaqa it's probably a good idea to do so, as we have only two miskills left and if all scum claim we just lose.

I find a bit weird you asking this kind of question, I don't remember you being bad at mechanics.

I was wondering if Chaqa was effectively counter claiming by voting Chaqa but he's moved off now.

I don't think worcej could fake that emotion do you?

[worcej]

There are 2 PR claimants voting each other. Something ain't right.

The point is that with this semi-open setup any scum going to be DKed will claim, it's the obvious thing to do, so any claim that can't be confirmed is weak by definition. And at this point I think if anyone can CC Worcej or Chaqa it's probably a good idea to do so, as we have only two miskills left and if all scum claim we just lose.

I find a bit weird you asking this kind of question, I don't remember you being bad at mechanics.

This situation right here is why I get there is an existence of doubt about my claim and continue to bring up you either believe me or don’t.

There shouldn’t be a middle-ground of options and you guys should be committed to it one way or the other. Just committing to killing me is the bad side of it because I know with certainty what I am and have been thoroughly honest this entire time.

[BunnyGo]

There are 2 PR claimants voting each other. Something ain't right.

The point is that with this semi-open setup any scum going to be DKed will claim, it's the obvious thing to do, so any claim that can't be confirmed is weak by definition. And at this point I think if anyone can CC Worcej or Chaqa it's probably a good idea to do so, as we have only two miskills left and if all scum claim we just lose.

I find a bit weird you asking this kind of question, I don't remember you being bad at mechanics.

I was wondering if Chaqa was effectively counter claiming by voting Chaqa but he's moved off now.

I don't think worcej could fake that emotion do you?

Yes

[damo666]

The shocking thing here is Damo being so blunt in “public” about this makes me want to town him over anything else.

Ofc I'm town.

I don't think Koala is gambler (he wants to sacrifice himself) and don't give any town points to Damo for pointing this.

The self sacrifice was a bluff?

[BunnyGo]

Ofc I'm town.

I don't think Koala is gambler (he wants to sacrifice himself) and don't give any town points to Damo for pointing this.

The self sacrifice was a bluff?

You think a first time player who is going down the hard logic route AND is a PR would think to bluff like that while under no pressure?

[rdrivera2005]

There are 2 PR claimants voting each other. Something ain't right.

The point is that with this semi-open setup any scum going to be DKed will claim, it's the obvious thing to do, so any claim that can't be confirmed is weak by definition. And at this point I think if anyone can CC Worcej or Chaqa it's probably a good idea to do so, as we have only two miskills left and if all scum claim we just lose.

I find a bit weird you asking this kind of question, I don't remember you being bad at mechanics.

Do you think we should ask the remaining PR(s) to claim now? Soon? Just let them play their best?

No. Just if someone can CC. And maybe a real Watcher should wait until Chaqa clarifies his claim before counterclaiming. But you understand that any scum close to being DKed will claim and we will need to eventually kill someone that claimed a PR? Making it a 50/50 is a better chance to town I think.

[worcej]

Ofc I'm town.

I don't think Koala is gambler (he wants to sacrifice himself) and don't give any town points to Damo for pointing this.

The self sacrifice was a bluff?

The self sacrifice post was too weird and left-field for me to really feel like it was anything.