MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

We have the option to either forget this whole thing and play today like a normal day or hammer. We should not just sit here with most of the field being disincentivized to do anything for another 30 hours, though.

I’m happy to ##END and see if our gambler is good at this.

worcej has spoken, I see no reason not to end it now.

[Chaqa]

I personally think webdip mafia needs to embrace the hammer

[damo666]

I personally think webdip mafia needs to embrace the hammer

We need Yav + 2 more

Presumably BB will, so lfischl, rdr or a switcher.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I'm not going to end hammer.

It would be different if everyone bought in last night, but they really didn't.

I tried my best to make the stakes feel real during the night so that the information is meaningful, but now that we're in Day 2, I am going to vote for who I think is most likely to be scum.

I do see a reasonable argument to chop worcej considering that if we have a gambler, they are likely wagering on worcej. I find that logic compelling only if worcej is squarely in our POE and we feel like we're going to need to chop worcej at some point to get to the answer.

All that said, I am leaning towards worcej being town right now. Still trying to sort my feelings on that.

[worcej]

Unlikely scumpairs from D1 voting

BB Bunny
Chaqa worcej
ghug* worcej
lfischl worcej

*although I find it intriguing ghug is not voting worcej today so I am far from certain about this pair.

If worcej flips scum I shall put lfischl and Chaqa in my townpool joining BB, Koala and myself.

If I am scum, none of this makes any sense unless you disregard bussing as a tool, which we know you don't because you've bussed as scum before.

The key word is unlikely

So you don't think ghug, lfischl, or Chaqa could bus me if I was scum. Why?

[worcej]

We have the option to either forget this whole thing and play today like a normal day or hammer. We should not just sit here with most of the field being disincentivized to do anything for another 30 hours, though.

I’m happy to ##END and see if our gambler is good at this.

The threshold has been crossed.

I HARDCLAIM DOCTOR.

I fucking hate you all.

[rdrivera2005]

The reason for the weaker Mafia implication being that in the situation of both worcej & lfischl being Town there is no logical inference, it could have been a coincidental earnest vote switch by a Townie onto another Townie.

If worcej flips town, this doesn't put a scum credit on lfischl. My post only considers one of them being mafia, and is only valid if either one of them dies so we know the role. I don't understand how this is a mafia-implication on me.

Thank you for asking to clarify this.

So it definitely does not at all from the perspective of cold hard logic.

But from a psychological perspective... Hard to put into words but I'll try: your Flawless [AFAICT] Logic post is definitely having the effect of making me want to follow through on the binding vote and see worcej unveiled even more! So, if worcej is unveiled as Townie you get tainted with the same weak-inference suspicion as I will for pushing my worcej hypothesis. In my case it's "maybe KoalaAttack was trying to help and made a mistake, maybe he wanted to sink a townie". In your case it's "maybe he shared this earnestly and got unlucky, or maybe he wanted to sink a townie".

Any time someone posts anything that helps make the case for an unveiling of a Townie there is a little sprinkle of probabilistic suspicion karma in my head :)

I don't agree with your approach because you are tryng to apply probabilities and logic to actions based on some set of assumptions that aren't true. Town votes another towns frequently. Mafia votes other Mafia to get town credit (it's called bussing). Personally I try to always look for motivation behind the actions.

Anyway, even not agreeing with this logic, I totally think it's coming from a town perspective and you are solidly on my town reads.

[rdrivera2005]

We have the option to either forget this whole thing and play today like a normal day or hammer. We should not just sit here with most of the field being disincentivized to do anything for another 30 hours, though.

I’m happy to ##END and see if our gambler is good at this.

The threshold has been crossed.

I HARDCLAIM DOCTOR.

I fucking hate you all.

This isn't great.

[worcej]

We have the option to either forget this whole thing and play today like a normal day or hammer. We should not just sit here with most of the field being disincentivized to do anything for another 30 hours, though.

I’m happy to ##END and see if our gambler is good at this.

worcej has spoken, I see no reason not to end it now.

This is the exact fucking shit that drives me fucking nuts.

You see no reason because you have the worst fucking reason to even end me simply because we MIGHT have a gambler.

I laughed that I hit doctor again, but god DAMNIT do you all ruin the game when you just treat it as a shitty list to scratch names off of and force me to ONCE AGAIN CLAIM MY FUCKING ROLE!

[rdrivera2005]

@rdr I realise you find comments on your TM claim annoying. Maybe it's time to give it up. It's got to the stage where it's pretty pointless.

But this is exactly what I am tryng to do: make it pointless so I don't need to claim anymore.

[worcej]

We have the option to either forget this whole thing and play today like a normal day or hammer. We should not just sit here with most of the field being disincentivized to do anything for another 30 hours, though.

I’m happy to ##END and see if our gambler is good at this.

The threshold has been crossed.

I HARDCLAIM DOCTOR.

I fucking hate you all.

This isn't great.

OF COURSE IT ISN'T!

IT'S FUCKING MORONIC THAT YOU ALL JUST WANT TO RANDOM KILL SOMEONE BECAUSE OF THE FLIMSIEST REASONS!

[rdrivera2005]

If worcej were town wouldn't mafia have NKd him?

This question is particularly aimed at non-worcej voters.

I don't think a possible Gambler's items is powerful enough to make Mafia a sure misskill.

[worcej]

I am currently scumreading bo, Chaqa, and bozo - primarily due to meta impression and lack of doing anything substantial on the D1 TvT results.

My N1 pool of saves were rdr, damo, and HB - I kept it on damo and fucking regret not trusting my gut in the last hour to switch to HB.

[worcej]

If worcej were town wouldn't mafia have NKd him?

This question is particularly aimed at non-worcej voters.

I don't think a possible Gambler's items is powerful enough to make Mafia a sure misskill.

It's a rare treat to see actual good logical analysis coming from someone this game.

This is why I town~core Bunny and rdr currently.

[damo666]

##unvote

[damo666]

@rdr I realise you find comments on your TM claim annoying. Maybe it's time to give it up. It's got to the stage where it's pretty pointless.

But this is exactly what I am tryng to do: make it pointless so I don't need to claim anymore.

Fair enough, I won't mention it again and assume you will not be TM claiming from next game on.

[worcej]

##unvote

I mean this with just the frustration of the moment, but fuck you for trying to hammer me.

But also - Fuck bo, Fuck Koala, and Fuck Chaqa.

My threshold was 4 ends on me, because ends can just pile up randomly sometimes.

[bo_sox48]

You really should have waited. Balki saying he wasn’t hammering pretty much assured that I took down my end vote, and I imagine the others would have rolled the same way.

##unvote

[damo666]

Assuming worcej and BB are telling the truth there is only a 25% chance we have a gambler anyway. So, no more of this night voting bollocks.

Sorry you have had to claim worcej, it's bad luck but when you topped the night vote it was kind of inevitable.

##vote bo

[damo666]

##unvote