MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[Balki Bartokomous]

This isn't a good idea if we're just sacrificing someone. It needs to be a town-led vote. Then all the mafia can do is kill who we want dead and give us immediate info on the vote, or kill someone else and let us have a normal gamble plus the daykill.

Alright, I feel like I am losing you. What do you mean town-led? Is that a more meaningful push than volunteering?

So we vote someone, Mafia kill them...what sort of immediate info do we gert?

I'm too inevriated to make a lot of sense. Just say, wait until tomorrow Brian.

Our Process of Elimination or Pool of Elimination ("POE") is the group of players we narrow down for daykills. If we can avoid moving scum out of our POE, and correctly place enough townies outside of our POE, we win by simply killing everyone in our POE.

Whomever ends up the leading vote getter tonight is going to be someone in the heart of our POE. It is going to be someone who is suspicious to many of us, and who we are going to need to daykill eventually to narrow down the roster. If Mafia want to deny gambler an item by using a night kill on someone squarely in our POE, then that is a win for town, and we'll have a normal Day 2 where we kill someone else in our POE.

[ghug]

If the leading vote getter is PR, they should (hopefully obviously) not claim until start of day.

[KoalaAttack]

Ah, shit...gambler needs to post to GMs at night, right?

Cripes, that changes things, but I don't know how much.

So then the hypothetical:

Say Chaqa volunteers to be the sacrifice on D2.
Gambler puts chip on Chaqa.
Mafia are like, "Screw that, Gambler ain't getting no item." and kill Chaqa.

Result will be...? I am guessing the chip is lost and Gambler is down to two chips.

"Each day you must vote for a suspect. You start the game with THREE gambling chips. At night, you may wager one chip to place a bet on who will be voted out the next day. If you win your bet, you win one item from the list below (determined at random). Each item is a one-use item and may only be won a single time. If you run out of chips, you may spend an un-used item to place a bet instead. "

Can Gambler not change their vote? It's interesting – what you just said implies they can not. But when I read the rules before signing up, there was no mention of the exact mechanic of how the Gambler bets – unlike for the ##VOTE thing. So, during my initial read I thought that meant that Gambler can change their theoretical ##BET (?) similar to how everyone can change their ##VOTE. Is that not correct?

[KoalaAttack]

Or is it too late because we only know who got killed after the night ends and the night ending is the equivalent of "place your final bets" at the roulette in a casino?

[ghug]

Or is it too late because we only know who got killed after the night ends and the night ending is the equivalent of "place your final bets" at the roulette in a casino?

The role PM specifically specifies "at night", and they're betting on the following day's kill.

[BunnyGo]

Dude...is your entire thing with me that you misunderstood my second post? Are you really that bad at this game? It's kinda annoying at this point.

No. I did not misunderstand your post. Your post looked like manufactured engagement. It did not appear sincere. I don't think it's quite right that a player who enters without information asks everyone if the Sherif flavor was just flavor. This is what you said:

Just checked to see if sherif had been an option of a power. Seems it’s just flavor?

This looks to me like someone is pretending not to have information. Like, you went to the rules to see if there was a sheriff, then you saw there was no sheriff, then you were still asking everyone whether this was "just flavor"? This suggests to me that you are faking your engagement.

Your stupid conclusion to the day was "I'm voting for a guy...so it must be correct because I know I'm town, so that's correct." Like...play or don't, but people said you had a head on your shoulders. I'm not seeing it.

And ffs, can you be done with whatever shenanigans you've got going with your fake claim? Can you unclaim it yet? Or is that gonna go a bit longer...

You call me "bad at this game," you say I have a "stupid conclusion," and you say I don't have a head on my shoulders. What you don't say is "Hmmmm, Balki may be scum who is trying to set me up for a mischop."

Where is the paranoia and suspicion? How come you seem to know I am town?

No...you again misread: I was saying it as if I was you. I think you're scum and driving this whole night voting thing so scum can kill our night vote and f*** the gambler.

[BunnyGo]

@ghug: what about Balki's play has been townie and/or positive mechie play? Do you honestly think this night vote is pro-town and being driven by a town player?

[BunnyGo]

Because at this point, it just seems to me like Balki is PR hunting--nothing he's done this game has been anything but tunnel on me, bait a CC, try to get a sense if there's a gambler somewhere, and push a mech play that isn't going anywhere.

[BunnyGo]

Couldn't even care enough at EOD to make a vote that mattered. Either to put worcej back in contention or push pyxxy more.

[rdrivera2005]

First of all sorry for being absent at EOD. But it won't probably change anything as I would probably vote for pixxy over Worcej.

[rdrivera2005]

I still think ghug's assessment on pyxxy was flawed but more about that later.

I just now caught the "Chaqa J has been consistently..."

In the forum, with my failing eyes it really looked like the letter I. And someone else used one of those letters. Just caught it on the bot.

You can think my analysis was flawed, but it was a weak gut read and it turned out to be correct, so you're either going to have to live with my unparalleled awesomeness or tell us why I was intentionally giving a flawed townread on a townie as scum.

What do you make of the J?

You know this is the whole concept of buddying, don't you. I didn't get why you where defending pixxy over nothing and thought it was scummy. I didn't want to insist on it at the time as I considered you might have seen something to point he's a PR, which is not the case. So, I a not giving you town points for defending a town with a flawed argument.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@BunnyGo, okay now you believe I am a scumbucket trying to get you mischopped.

So why did your earlier message keep calling me "stupid," "bad at this game," "no head on my shoulders"? I thought you were suggesting that I was misinterpreting you. Now you are saying that I actually know your alignment and I am trying to attack you to get you chopped?

What do you think is my motivation to do that? Why you?

If I'm scum, aren't I playing great? Not even one person has voted for me yet. If you think I'm scum, surfing around in the thread calling you out for bad reasons and getting no suspicion, fake claiming a town role and getting no counterclaim, wouldn't you call me "crafty" and "dangerous" instead of "bad at this game"?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Couldn't even care enough at EOD to make a vote that mattered. Either to put worcej back in contention or push pyxxy more.

I mean...not a lot I can do when Town is determined to follow weak wagons with NAI reasons. I can tell everyone to focus on people I find suspicious, and I did. I don't think it's suspicious that I didn't join one of those wagons, and I'd be surprised if you sincerely think that either.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Our Day 2 chop vote ends in a little under 13 hours. Let's make this real. I feel like it's worth it to get our gambler a gun.

[rdrivera2005]

This isn't a good idea if we're just sacrificing someone. It needs to be a town-led vote. Then all the mafia can do is kill who we want dead and give us immediate info on the vote, or kill someone else and let us have a normal gamble plus the daykill.

Alright, I feel like I am losing you. What do you mean town-led? Is that a more meaningful push than volunteering?

So we vote someone, Mafia kill them...what sort of immediate info do we gert?

I'm too inevriated to make a lot of sense. Just say, wait until tomorrow Brian.

Our Process of Elimination or Pool of Elimination ("POE") is the group of players we narrow down for daykills. If we can avoid moving scum out of our POE, and correctly place enough townies outside of our POE, we win by simply killing everyone in our POE.

Whomever ends up the leading vote getter tonight is going to be someone in the heart of our POE. It is going to be someone who is suspicious to many of us, and who we are going to need to daykill eventually to narrow down the roster. If Mafia want to deny gambler an item by using a night kill on someone squarely in our POE, then that is a win for town, and we'll have a normal Day 2 where we kill someone else in our POE.

Agree with you here, Mafia won’t kill the voted player (if we vote Mafia for obviously reasons and if we vote town they won't kill a sure miskill).

On theory I agree with this idea, as making sure Gambler get an item is great, even with some items being weak. But in practice we might have a voting with less participation as night is shorter and lot of people participate even less at night. We also need to set an "end of voting" time, so the gambler could submit his order without worrying with changes and this might be tricky considering different tome zones and schedules.

##vote Damo

[rdrivera2005]

Our Day 2 chop vote ends in a little under 13 hours. Let's make this real. I feel like it's worth it to get our gambler a gun.

Two things:
1- We need to set an earlier deadline to this voting, otherwise it's pointless as gambler might not be able to put his gamble on time.
2- It isn't sure gambler will get a gun, items would be given at random.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Okay, voting ends 5 minutes before EON.

Let's go!

[Balki Bartokomous]

We're doing this. Hop aboard.

[rdrivera2005]

Okay, voting ends 5 minutes before EON.

Let's go!

You have a lot of faith in the gambler being around, lol.

[rdrivera2005]

We're doing this. Hop aboard.

Ok, I am on board.