M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

I haven't used the bot in about my last ten games and don't plan to use it in this or the next ones. I was politely asking Eden to give us a official one with which I can work.

Why don't you use the bot?

[damo666]

Sorry for absence, a family Christmas event yesterday.

Kak's passion is town indicative on the face of it although he could be desperate scum.

Bozo is my strongest town read.

If Kak is town the team imo has to be Chaqa lfischl.

However leaving my vote on Kak for the mo.

Gonna do some survey and vote analysis.

[damo666]

Day 2 voting confirms my opinion that Bozo is town since all of Kak Chaqa and lfischl seem unlikely partners.

The only other thing to be gleaned from VCA is D1 might indicate a Chaqa/lfischl pairing.

So am I down to (in order)

Kak/Chaqa
Chaqa/lfischl

Kak/lfischl

Gonna look at pet results with these pairings

[damo666]

Problems with pet results for the three possible pairings

Kak Chaqa - Chaqa's bozo N1 declaration, why not say heart, Kak or ghug?
lfischl Chaqa - as above

Kak lfischl - no problems

I now conclude that Kak lfischl are the scumpair.

Will leave my vote on Kak but can move to lfischl if necessary.

[damo666]

However if it is Kak/lfischl I suspect with Chaqa's bad vote I expect to be miskilled.

[damo666]

I'm gonna join Bozo

##vote lfischl

Chaqa you should join

[lfischl]

I've had an eat, tried to soft reset my mind and look at my former post. With that I think there can only be 3 teams that are logically possible:

chaqa-heartthrob-lfischl
bozo-damo-heartthrob
damo-heartthrob-lfischl

I think the chaqa lfischl is still possible, but for that there has to go so much in their favour and chaqa has to sacrifice his tell.

@damo @bozo I want to give you a bit of time to convince me that we actually have this maf team, but that has to be a gigantic good argument with detailed analysis to believe you. To be frank, I give this team a 1% chance to be true, just that little doubt I have in myself let me even consider it a possibility.

comparing the two other teams, I think there is like a 60:40 chance; bozo+damo more possible than bozo+lfischl

Therefore, we should vote today damo, since he is part of both teams

##vote damo

I urge you to change your vote to damo since that should be the best way for town to get to the truth

With chaqa/lfischl, all 3 mafia would have responded to the survey early reporting town scans, but one of those could have been the real scan. Although 2 mafia picking an unknown town for their scan report does not seem like the best way for the mafia to go, I would not rule it out.

With damo/lfischl, heartthrob would have responded first naming teammate damo, then lfischl naming you, which could have been the real scan, and then damo refusing to give a result. Then the mafia would have scanned worcej N2, with damo and lfischl reporting scans of worcej. I agree that damo/lfischl fits better strictly on the dog scan survey results.

As for damo and I as mafia, besides knowing I am town, we would have had to give the N1 NK and a mafia teammate as our N1 scan results, with the third refusing to give a result, therefore not using our real scan result.

##vote damo

for you+damo, yeah you didn't use the scan, but is it really that unreasonable?

[Chaqa]

At this point I'm pretty sure that Bozo/Damo and Kak/Lfischl are the same alignment and I am the swing vote here as the third town.

I think I stick with Kak and Lfischl.

##End

[Chaqa]

IDK. This game is weird.

[lfischl]

At this point I'm pretty sure that Bozo/Damo and Kak/Lfischl are the same alignment and I am the swing vote here as the third town.

I think I stick with Kak and Lfischl.

##End

how many end votes are required to skip the phase?

[damo666]

At this point I'm pretty sure that Bozo/Damo and Kak/Lfischl are the same alignment and I am the swing vote here as the third town.

I think I stick with Kak and Lfischl.

##End

how many end votes are required to skip the phase?

3 on same wagon

[bozotheclown]

I've had an eat, tried to soft reset my mind and look at my former post. With that I think there can only be 3 teams that are logically possible:

chaqa-heartthrob-lfischl
bozo-damo-heartthrob
damo-heartthrob-lfischl

I think the chaqa lfischl is still possible, but for that there has to go so much in their favour and chaqa has to sacrifice his tell.

@damo @bozo I want to give you a bit of time to convince me that we actually have this maf team, but that has to be a gigantic good argument with detailed analysis to believe you. To be frank, I give this team a 1% chance to be true, just that little doubt I have in myself let me even consider it a possibility.

comparing the two other teams, I think there is like a 60:40 chance; bozo+damo more possible than bozo+lfischl

Therefore, we should vote today damo, since he is part of both teams

##vote damo

I urge you to change your vote to damo since that should be the best way for town to get to the truth

With chaqa/lfischl, all 3 mafia would have responded to the survey early reporting town scans, but one of those could have been the real scan. Although 2 mafia picking an unknown town for their scan report does not seem like the best way for the mafia to go, I would not rule it out.

With damo/lfischl, heartthrob would have responded first naming teammate damo, then lfischl naming you, which could have been the real scan, and then damo refusing to give a result. Then the mafia would have scanned worcej N2, with damo and lfischl reporting scans of worcej. I agree that damo/lfischl fits better strictly on the dog scan survey results.

As for damo and I as mafia, besides knowing I am town, we would have had to give the N1 NK and a mafia teammate as our N1 scan results, with the third refusing to give a result, therefore not using our real scan result.

##vote damo

for you+damo, yeah you didn't use the scan, but is it really that unreasonable?

Maybe not, but since I started the survey, for you to think I was mafia, you would have to think I was prepared to answer the survey, so I think it would be unlikely to give more suspicious responses instead of giving a real scan result.

[bozotheclown]

Problems with pet results for the three possible pairings

Kak Chaqa - Chaqa's bozo N1 declaration, why not say heart, Kak or ghug?
lfischl Chaqa - as above

Kak lfischl - no problems

I now conclude that Kak lfischl are the scumpair.

Will leave my vote on Kak but can move to lfischl if necessary.

You seem to be ignoring the "problem" that heartthrob said he scanned you N1.

[bozotheclown]

At this point I'm pretty sure that Bozo/Damo and Kak/Lfischl are the same alignment and I am the swing vote here as the third town.

I think I stick with Kak and Lfischl.

##End

I think this is very unlikely to be correct, because if lfischl and Kakarroto are mafia, they could have ended the game when you voted END on me earlier D5.

If you are town, then it is likely lfischl has been pocketing Kakarroto and damo has been pocketing me.

[Chaqa]

At this point I'm pretty sure that Bozo/Damo and Kak/Lfischl are the same alignment and I am the swing vote here as the third town.

I think I stick with Kak and Lfischl.

##End

I think this is very unlikely to be correct, because if lfischl and Kakarroto are mafia, they could have ended the game when you voted END on me earlier D5.

If you are town, then it is likely lfischl has been pocketing Kakarroto and damo has been pocketing me.

Which is why Damo is the correct vote today. Join us.

[bozotheclown]

At this point I'm pretty sure that Bozo/Damo and Kak/Lfischl are the same alignment and I am the swing vote here as the third town.

I think I stick with Kak and Lfischl.

##End

I think this is very unlikely to be correct, because if lfischl and Kakarroto are mafia, they could have ended the game when you voted END on me earlier D5.

If you are town, then it is likely lfischl has been pocketing Kakarroto and damo has been pocketing me.

Which is why Damo is the correct vote today. Join us.

The delay in damo and lfischl getting on each other's wagon does make it seem like they are the scum pair. I still would prefer lfischl today because he seems to be already pushing me and damo as mafia in preparation of damo flipping scum and a D6 with you and me.

[lfischl]

I think this is very unlikely to be correct, because if lfischl and Kakarroto are mafia, they could have ended the game when you voted END on me earlier D5.

If you are town, then it is likely lfischl has been pocketing Kakarroto and damo has been pocketing me.

Which is why Damo is the correct vote today. Join us.

The delay in damo and lfischl getting on each other's wagon does make it seem like they are the scum pair. I still would prefer lfischl today because he seems to be already pushing me and damo as mafia in preparation of damo flipping scum and a D6 with you and me.

When have I been pushing you chaqa?

[bozotheclown]

Which is why Damo is the correct vote today. Join us.

The delay in damo and lfischl getting on each other's wagon does make it seem like they are the scum pair. I still would prefer lfischl today because he seems to be already pushing me and damo as mafia in preparation of damo flipping scum and a D6 with you and me.

When have I been pushing you chaqa?

I don't understand what you mean about Chaqa. I was saying your post when you switched you vote from me to damo seemed to indicate you think the scum team is me and damo, which explains your vote switch, but also prepares you to vote for me D6 if you and damo are mafia.

[Chaqa]

I think this is very unlikely to be correct, because if lfischl and Kakarroto are mafia, they could have ended the game when you voted END on me earlier D5.

If you are town, then it is likely lfischl has been pocketing Kakarroto and damo has been pocketing me.

Which is why Damo is the correct vote today. Join us.

The delay in damo and lfischl getting on each other's wagon does make it seem like they are the scum pair. I still would prefer lfischl today because he seems to be already pushing me and damo as mafia in preparation of damo flipping scum and a D6 with you and me.

I see Damo as the common thread between the two scum pairs. If he flips Godfather then it clears me. I'm not really looking to vote Lfischl today.

[bozotheclown]

Which is why Damo is the correct vote today. Join us.

The delay in damo and lfischl getting on each other's wagon does make it seem like they are the scum pair. I still would prefer lfischl today because he seems to be already pushing me and damo as mafia in preparation of damo flipping scum and a D6 with you and me.

I see Damo as the common thread between the two scum pairs. If he flips Godfather then it clears me. I'm not really looking to vote Lfischl today.

OK, if you are town, then I think we are in the same position, you think it is damo and lfischl or damo and me, and I think it is lfischl and damo or lfischl and you. Flipping the GF today clears you, but does not keep you from mis-killing me D6.