M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

I sound frustrated because until this flip just now, everything went bad for town. It also takes so much energy talking to you when you are convinced I'm mafia even when I'm not, when you argue from a point of belief not a point of data.

I'm also sad that it wasn't the godfather so chaqa isn't cleared.

But lets see how this looks on the different vote rallies.

Like, not trying to be rude with this, but I don’t see any value in listening to you. Especially now in the game’s final moments.

You’ve not agreed with me most of this game - both on reads (which I can respect) and also the survey (still don’t respect and think you’re fundamentally wrong). I don’t agree with your reads on damo or bozo right now and you continue to try to ham it up like they are scum when I’ve done the same read through and don’t see it your way. All you’re trying to do is place doubt about where we are at and are focusing on both damo and bozo as possible scum at the same time.

And finally - the flip of heart as scum validates my analysis significantly in my eyes. I don’t see a team that contains heart and the three people I believe to be the remaining town. He pocketed the fuck out of Bona and could’ve just voted you last second to distinguish himself away and against the flip for credit when I was wrong.

If you don't want to listen to me, listen to bona or RD about the survey.

Also why, why the heck would I change my mind and stop pressuring you D3 when I noticed that you are probably the dog. That makes no sense if I'd be mafia in that situation, I'd just put more pressure on you hoping you would spill the beans.

*sigh*

You didn't even had any doubts about bozo not showing up.

Gah. I can't with you. I just can't. Enjoy the feeling of being correct because this will stop as soon as you are either removed or the game ends. Have a nice evening.

I "showed up" during what would have been D4 if not for the hammer. The fact that heartthrob was hammered without my vote despite your effort to get me mis-killed only further confirms the obvious mafia team.

[bozotheclown]

Bozo, why do you discount Damo as mafia?

IF you are town. And that's a big if, then IMO the remaining mafia are Damo an Lfischl.

Has Lfischl ever confirmed he knew worcej was the dog?

damo and lfischl both confirmed during D3 that they knew worcej was the doctor, after reporting their scans of him, just as I did, and it is clear to me that the mafia did not know.

[bozotheclown]

Kakarroto should be the next DK, because if he flips as the other goon, as I expect, bo_sox's cop scan of Chaqa will be statistically meaningless.

[bozotheclown]

Chaqa and Kakarroto have set themselves up to vote together D5 for me or damo, so they are fishing to see if any of the semi-confirmed town will start doubting why we are semi-confirmed town.

[Chaqa]

Chaqa and Kakarroto have set themselves up to vote together D5 for me or damo, so they are fishing to see if any of the semi-confirmed town will start doubting why we are semi-confirmed town.

I can't wait for Damo to flip GF and break your programming

[lfischl]

Bozo, why do you discount Damo as mafia?

IF you are town. And that's a big if, then IMO the remaining mafia are Damo an Lfischl.

Has Lfischl ever confirmed he knew worcej was the dog?

If you really want proof I can do it, bozo you scanned him as well right, if you want to metagame it I will copy and paste the message I got from Eden and bozo can confirm, but yes I scanned worcej N2

[worcej]

Bozo, why do you discount Damo as mafia?

IF you are town. And that's a big if, then IMO the remaining mafia are Damo an Lfischl.

Has Lfischl ever confirmed he knew worcej was the dog?

If you really want proof I can do it, bozo you scanned him as well right, if you want to metagame it I will copy and paste the message I got from Eden and bozo can confirm, but yes I scanned worcej N2

Totally not acceptable via normal rules.

[lfischl]

Bozo, why do you discount Damo as mafia?

IF you are town. And that's a big if, then IMO the remaining mafia are Damo an Lfischl.

Has Lfischl ever confirmed he knew worcej was the dog?

If you really want proof I can do it, bozo you scanned him as well right, if you want to metagame it I will copy and paste the message I got from Eden and bozo can confirm, but yes I scanned worcej N2

Totally not acceptable via normal rules.

Yeah i figured but yeah, I did scan you n2

[worcej]

It feels so obvious kak and chaqa are on a team with each other with how these arguments read… I get little sense of doubt from them about the other’s alignment as they talk to bozo.

[worcej]

Kakarroto should be the next DK, because if he flips as the other goon, as I expect, bo_sox's cop scan of Chaqa will be statistically meaningless.

Explain how it is statistically meaningless.

[Kakarroto]

It feels so obvious kak and chaqa are on a team with each other with how these arguments read… I get little sense of doubt from them about the other’s alignment as they talk to bozo.

you mean like bozo was convinced I was mafia a few days ago and didn't change his views since?

also, did the thought that it might be just because chaqa and I are town and had the same thoughts as bona and rd cross your mind? I mean, there is still a little doubt left that chaqa just fools and pocketed me, but after his tell/vow and his behaviour during the days before I think that is a tiny rist.

[bozotheclown]

Kakarroto should be the next DK, because if he flips as the other goon, as I expect, bo_sox's cop scan of Chaqa will be statistically meaningless.

Explain how it is statistically meaningless.

If the GF is the only mafia left, a town cop scan report does not make the player scanned any more likely to be town, because a cop scan on any remaining player would have the same result.

[bozotheclown]

It feels so obvious kak and chaqa are on a team with each other with how these arguments read… I get little sense of doubt from them about the other’s alignment as they talk to bozo.

you mean like bozo was convinced I was mafia a few days ago and didn't change his views since?

also, did the thought that it might be just because chaqa and I are town and had the same thoughts as bona and rd cross your mind? I mean, there is still a little doubt left that chaqa just fools and pocketed me, but after his tell/vow and his behaviour during the days before I think that is a tiny rist.

I was convinced you, Chaqa, and heartthrob were mafia several days ago, and I have not changed my view since.

[Kakarroto]

It feels so obvious kak and chaqa are on a team with each other with how these arguments read… I get little sense of doubt from them about the other’s alignment as they talk to bozo.

you mean like bozo was convinced I was mafia a few days ago and didn't change his views since?

also, did the thought that it might be just because chaqa and I are town and had the same thoughts as bona and rd cross your mind? I mean, there is still a little doubt left that chaqa just fools and pocketed me, but after his tell/vow and his behaviour during the days before I think that is a tiny rist.

I was convinced you, Chaqa, and heartthrob were mafia several days ago, and I have not changed my view since.

how very 'town' of you ...

see worcej, the things you think make me mafia in your eyes don't make you question bozo in the slightest and that's going on for days and you just don't acknowledge this and that makes it so frustrating since you will lose town the game with that attitude

not that I think you'd change your mind now.

[bozotheclown]

If you really want proof I can do it, bozo you scanned him as well right, if you want to metagame it I will copy and paste the message I got from Eden and bozo can confirm, but yes I scanned worcej N2

Totally not acceptable via normal rules.

Yeah i figured but yeah, I did scan you n2

I knew your scan of worcej was real D3 when you corrected your scum pool to exclude worcej. damo and I also signaled D3 that our scans of worcej were real, and since it is apparent the mafia did not know worcej was the doctor, you and damo are confirmed town to me, as damo and I should be confirmed town to you, excluding the small possibility of the mafia successfully pulling off an intricate scum ploy.

[Kakarroto]

only possible mafia teams left:

teams with one need for a guess:
chaqa-bozo-heartthrob
bozo-damo-heartthrob
damo-heartthrob-lfischl

teams with 2 guesses needed:
chaqa-damo-heartthrob

teams with 3+ guesses needed:
chaqa-heartthrob-lfischl

behaviour makes the 3+ team very unlikely on top of it being very risky for mafia. I think we can basically root that out for good.

chaqa and damo on a maf team is unlikely too regarding their vote behaviour D1 and D2, though I'm not as sure about that. At this point, I doubt that it would be possible for town to win against such a team so even if I think there might be a chance for it existing, we will never both vote damo and chaqa out. So if it's just that, GG mafia.

that leaves (at least from my point of view, which is town, even if you don't believe me, worcej) three possible mafia teams, which also includes all remaining 1 guess teams.

looking at them, it is bozo:2, damo: 2, chaqa:1 and lfischl:1; I really, really think we should finally yeet bozo; if he turns out to be godfather, we clear chaqa; if not, there is a 50/50 chance though I think Chaqa with his chipotle vow still is town. It's the same as RD's 100% vanilla town claim. It's valid until the first time they break it.

if I'm wrong and it's actually damo and lfischl, then the fisch has just splendidly blinded me with his day votes. And bozo really, really, really needs to rethink his town game.

I hope worcej doesn't protect him and just theatres all of this, but he probably means it. If I were in the shoes of mafia, I'd just remove lfischl to make me get voted out tomorrow. Well, maybe they target chaqa, though he has a chance of being protected by worcej so I wouldn't.

Anyway, the best way for town to win is to proceed with bozo in my opinion.

Woke up today and had a bad idea ... if worcej actually goes through with him protecting maf bozo and mafia targets maf bozo, there will be nothing in the world that could convince worcej that bozo is mafia and I couldn't even fault him in that case. I really hope mafia doesn't think of that. *sigh* this looks really like loss for town if they don't target worcej. I mean it's unlikely and the target will be probably chaqa, maybe lfischl, but yeah, just in case, I'll ask this:

##ask GM: is the mafia allowed to target their own members for their night remove action?

Ceterum autem censeo bozo esse delendam.

[bozotheclown]

you mean like bozo was convinced I was mafia a few days ago and didn't change his views since?

also, did the thought that it might be just because chaqa and I are town and had the same thoughts as bona and rd cross your mind? I mean, there is still a little doubt left that chaqa just fools and pocketed me, but after his tell/vow and his behaviour during the days before I think that is a tiny rist.

I was convinced you, Chaqa, and heartthrob were mafia several days ago, and I have not changed my view since.

how very 'town' of you ...

see worcej, the things you think make me mafia in your eyes don't make you question bozo in the slightest and that's going on for days and you just don't acknowledge this and that makes it so frustrating since you will lose town the game with that attitude

not that I think you'd change your mind now.

I am sure damo and lfischl are town, and therefore you are not.

[Kakarroto]

Please hold? Night has ended I think?

[President Eden]

night has ended, please hold

[President Eden]

is it fratricide when wolves kill a dog?

WORCEJ has DIED. He was the SHEEPDOG

You have 48 hours etc.