M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

All I have to say now is wtf worcej

[lfischl]

All I have to say now is wtf worcej

^ yeah no clue why you didn’t save Bo there

[Kakarroto]

hey, at least we don't need to fear any counter claim.

I hope you have petted worcej over christmas?

[Kakarroto]

I guess no one wants to talk to me today. It's after 4 am so I guess I go to bed.

Don't do something stupid like hammering someone, especially because damo or bozo said so. We can't make any more mistakes.

[Chaqa]

hey, at least we don't need to fear any counter claim.

I hope you have petted worcej over christmas?

I did.

I’m just confused why he didn’t save bo and guarantee another scan

[Chaqa]

I need to think a bit more about where to vote. My gut says Heart first

[Chaqa]

Remaining players:
bozotheclown
Chaqa: scanned innocent
damo666
heartthrob24909
Kakarroto
lfischl
worcej: PR

[Chaqa]

I think my preference is roughly:

Heart > Bozo > Damo > Lfischl > Kak

[worcej]

All I have to say now is wtf worcej

^ yeah no clue why you didn’t save Bo there

Was going to do a long wall post, but I'll just address it here: I honestly assumed my goose was cooked and didn't submit anything on Thursday night, thinking I'd get to it on Friday. Then, on Friday, I got slammed with last-minute christmas errands and got home ~2 hours before EOD and eventually fell asleep on the couch with my daughter and we took a nap through phase change.

More on this shortly...

[worcej]

So, just going to shit this out in my own way...

What we know:

1. I am a shitty PR and didn't submit an order last night.
2. Scum chose to kill bo over me.
3. Bo does have an innocent scan on Chaqa
4. There are three claimed pets on me before I claimed, all came on D3, but indicated Damo pet me on N1 and fisch and bozo pet me on N2.

I've already hit at #1, so let me hit at the others now. For #2, after a few days of thought I believe the scum's goal was to have bo live another phase to add more WIFOM or counter-opinion to the fire to cause disorder amongst the town. I believe that scum thought for sure I'd submit a save on Bo, thus having no kill but a situation where I would die EOD4 along with whatever kill we do. Bo is very strong-willed and not a real good "follower" so there is good odds he would split the vote if me and him did not come to an agreement.

Not much to say about #3 - either Chaqa is the GF if he's scum or he's town. Not going to really go after this much other than Chaqa is the last person that should be flipped and he should never be flipped before any other possible scum player.

I've really beat the bush about #4, but to do it again after more thoughts...

What I believe to be the case:

1. I believe, with a lot of background/research of his style, that damo is town. Why you may ask? Because if he really pet me on N1, scum!damo would've campaigned for my death on N2 before anything else. Damo is highly analytical and would not want to possibly allow me to live any longer, especially considering I had very little "flak" targeted at me at this point.
2. I also believe Bozo is town, primarily due to the survey and then his posting/style of D3. Scum!bozo, with a scan on me, would've been more inclined to join in on any town push on me on D3, versus just hanging back and focusing on others. Reminder: I'll go down swinging till my last bitter days that the survey was a net-benefit for the town and was clearly the best way to allow me to provide some investigative powers beyond the single cop scan we had. There was so much town motivation by bozo for this survey in my eyes and you'll never convince me otherwise.
3. lfischl is probably town, but of the three he is the most likely one to be scum in my eyes because of one specific post:

   
   
   Maybe lfischl, who like Kakarroto, is holding their vote for late in D3.

   Oh I’ve just been hella busy the last couple days, but my scum pool is something like bona worcej heart and then bozo or damo

   Shoot not worcej sorry heart bona bozo damo, In that order

   This post, to me, screams scum~slip out of anything any of these three did. It comes off to me that he forgot to keep up the ruse of any plan mafia had to try to come off as town and just shit out a fake list quickly and realized his mistake could get me to catch him as scum. It doesn't seem that many people have fisch before bozo or damo as a potential scum, but either way all the other interactions seem genuine enough to me that he's most likely just dazed/confused town now just following his PRs.
4. So with that all being said, now that it's 4-3 and I've read each persons slot at least once, the remaining group of Kak, Chaqa, and heart are most likely the scum team UNLESS the scum team devised some elaborate plan to fool any sheepdog and proceeded to get lucky with petting me.

Honestly, the simplest explanation here is what I am going to go with - scum wouldn't need to do some elaborate hoax/plan to win this with how it was going (my opinion). So, of the group and based on Bo's scan results, my order of preference to resolve the game is Heart -> Kak -> Chaqa.

And because time is a factor for a lot of people, I'm just going to make this really easy and not beat around the bush any further.

##vote heart
##end

If I am wrong, understand I know I suck lol

[worcej]

hey, at least we don't need to fear any counter claim.

I hope you have petted worcej over christmas?

I did.

I’m just confused why he didn’t save bo and guarantee another scan

You're moving up my scum list again.

1x Shepherd - You are the Shepherd! Once per game, at night, you may submit any other player's name. If that player's role returns as a Farm Animal, you will receive the following message:

"[NAME] is a Farm Animal."

If that player's role returns as a Wild Creature, you will receive the following message:

"[NAME] is a Wild Creature."

[worcej]

If the scum team is damo/bozo/fisch - congrats, you sold it well enough to convince me.

[worcej]

Heart is pretty obviously scum in my eyes due to the nature of play - strikes me as following the lead/pocketing players. My vote isn't moving this phase.

[worcej]

The whole situation is just WIFOM - I've chosen my glass.

[Chaqa]

hey, at least we don't need to fear any counter claim.

I hope you have petted worcej over christmas?

I did.

I’m just confused why he didn’t save bo and guarantee another scan

You're moving up my scum list again.

1x Shepherd - You are the Shepherd! Once per game, at night, you may submit any other player's name. If that player's role returns as a Farm Animal, you will receive the following message:

"[NAME] is a Farm Animal."

If that player's role returns as a Wild Creature, you will receive the following message:

"[NAME] is a Wild Creature."

smh my head how does this make you more sus of me

[Chaqa]

Two things worc:
1. I do agree Heart is probably the best place to start discussions
2. Voting end is still really bad. If we're wrong, mafia could all pile onto the vote and hammer it

[Chaqa]

Earlier I asked people about ghug and why the mafia would target him. The answers so far were pretty decent (I'd disagree with the ones who would say 'all' or name me specifically who would've targeted him since I'd preferred someone else to ruthlessly remove them from the game but that is just a minor appendix), there is however one reason no one spoke out (well Chaqa did kinda though in reverse logic):

Nobody said ghug was targeted because of his vote. Not even a short mention with 'oh it might be silly but ...', it's like everyone forgot that as an option (besides with an asterisk Chaqa). There were some games where mafia did target someone who voted for them and since most don't know Chaqa's alignment I at least expected that reasoning to come up.

But all I got was 'ghug is a respected member of the community and dangerous for mafia'. I'm not sure what to think about it exactly, but something doesn't add up. I hope it's not because I'm crazy.

For reference for people, this post Kak made on Day 2 convinced and continues to convince me Kak is town. I don't think mafia openly speculates on the NK like this.

[damo666]

damo, 10 minutes ago you posted in the 20 questions, please, play in this game too.

Reading all your stuff

[damo666]

All I have to say now is wtf worcej

Dozy dog

[damo666]

All I have to say now is wtf worcej

^ yeah no clue why you didn’t save Bo there

Was going to do a long wall post, but I'll just address it here: I honestly assumed my goose was cooked and didn't submit anything on Thursday night, thinking I'd get to it on Friday. Then, on Friday, I got slammed with last-minute christmas errands and got home ~2 hours before EOD and eventually fell asleep on the couch with my daughter and we took a nap through phase change.

More on this shortly...

I was right. Dozy dog.