M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[Bonatogether]

Also - commenting on playstyles: I am an observer and commentator. I am not an aggressive pusher. There isn’t anything wrong with this style and you invalidating it like this is rather interesting to see, considering most players play this way.

But anyways, you may ask, why do I play this way? Because in the past when I was a pusher, I got in incredibly rude fights with multiple people and caused a lot of drama because I got so incredibly invested in it. That and usually my pushes were terribly wrong, so I try to watch what people do and describe.

Take for instance, how you’re engaging with me: you’re almost exclusively taking my statements and cracking wise or painting them in negative light over and over without actually trying to explain why what I am doing is scummy atm. Your biggest argument of scummy behavior from me is the survey, which applies to multiple people, so this isn’t special to me.

So yeah, I think my case about you is based on your track record of screaming negative opinions about Bunny, celaph, and now me - all of which are town and as scum would help you win.

it's simply not true that the majority of players don't make cases and are only commenters. i believe basically everyone else has put forth reads, reasons, and evidence and attempted to convince people to make a wagon. You, by comparison, declared that you didn't feel there was momentum to vote me, but you slapped a tepid vote on me regardless. you moved off just recently anyways, according to the bot

Being wrong previously shouldn't be an obstacle to contributing. I can't speak to you getting into rude fights but that's also not an excuse to not chip in.

if you make scummy statements, no dip i'm going to present them as scummy. also, that's also not my biggest argument, but it is a contributing factor. being wrong isn't scummy but being aggressively and insistently wrong is, especially when like half the game (including confirmed dead townies) were telling you otherwise.

So yeah, I think my case about you is based on your track record of screaming negative opinions about Bunny, celaph, and now me - all of which are town and as scum would help you win.

this is a lame argument because first off, being wrong isn't scummy - i recognized that i messed up, recalibrated, and reoriented. also - i believe that i wasn't fixated on nothing in those two cases. i didn't get latched onto nothing. i found someone i thought was scum and pushed them to a dk.

Being wrong isn't scummy, but that isn't my actual point at all.

Once again, we have Bona twisting what I am actually saying to make me sound worse.

save it for the god thread

[Bonatogether]

No

Then ##vote bona again

##vote bona

[bo_sox48]

well before it was bozo, worcej, bo and the next best was heartthrob

now I'm not too sure. There are people I don't want to vote out today who might be mafia but I need more time to find more out. I think bo is a safe target for the vote today. If you want to use data, I suggest you take my answer above because those four look most mafia-like to me, but I have some doubts. Other than that I can't offer you a satisfying answer, I'm afraid.

You’ve said multiple times that I am the best target today and a) haven’t explained why, and b) haven’t actually said that I’m mafia, which I find curious

then I'm glad about that, mafia probably hasn't figured out what I have

or I'm blinded horrendously and being lured away from the flock

either way, I think I'm close to solve

I have learned over like 40 of these mafia games to ignore people who say they’re close to solving the game without any information because there are three consistent traits among people that try to solve the game without any information:

1. They are absolutely awful at convincing the rest of the town that they have solved the game, and because the rest of the town is unconvinced that this other player has solved the game they ignore them. In the event they are right the mafia says “well shit” and kills this player, which on N3 or whatever it’s gonna be is not going to make us all think “omg he solved the game” and blindly follow along. So, assuming they are town, they make themselves a target because they’re not going to convince anyone else of their theory without any concrete information to work with but the mafia knows they’re right and sees the threat.

2. They are usually wrong. Shockingly enough if it were so simple to effectively solve the game without any concrete information we’d all be doing it. It’s kinda hard to pull off - much harder than solving one player and letting the dominoes fall in line from there. So the odds of success are basically nil.

3. They are never going to change their mind, because they already “solved the game” (insert mocking spongebob here).

Which of these three apply to you?

[Bonatogether]

I think it’s a great example of you trying to imply negativity about me, not just share facts.

well if we are going to read into it, we may safely note a second fact (an empirically demonstrated relationship, in fact), that those who repeat their honesty are more likely to be dishonest in what they are saying.

blah blah blah *insert smear still* blah blah blah

i only present facts

any conclusion you may draw from them is entirely up to you

do you regard these facts as a smear?

[Chaqa]

I miss ghug

[bo_sox48]

well if we are going to read into it, we may safely note a second fact (an empirically demonstrated relationship, in fact), that those who repeat their honesty are more likely to be dishonest in what they are saying.

blah blah blah *insert smear still* blah blah blah

i only present facts

any conclusion you may draw from them is entirely up to you

do you regard these facts as a smear?

This is not financial advice

[Bonatogether]

blah blah blah *insert smear still* blah blah blah

i only present facts

any conclusion you may draw from them is entirely up to you

do you regard these facts as a smear?

This is not financial advice

this post is not intended as or should be construed as legal advice. for legal help, seek a lawyer

[Kakarroto]

You’ve said multiple times that I am the best target today and a) haven’t explained why, and b) haven’t actually said that I’m mafia, which I find curious

then I'm glad about that, mafia probably hasn't figured out what I have

or I'm blinded horrendously and being lured away from the flock

either way, I think I'm close to solve

I have learned over like 40 of these mafia games to ignore people who say they’re close to solving the game without any information because there are three consistent traits among people that try to solve the game without any information:

1. They are absolutely awful at convincing the rest of the town that they have solved the game, and because the rest of the town is unconvinced that this other player has solved the game they ignore them. In the event they are right the mafia says “well shit” and kills this player, which on N3 or whatever it’s gonna be is not going to make us all think “omg he solved the game” and blindly follow along. So, assuming they are town, they make themselves a target because they’re not going to convince anyone else of their theory without any concrete information to work with but the mafia knows they’re right and sees the threat.

2. They are usually wrong. Shockingly enough if it were so simple to effectively solve the game without any concrete information we’d all be doing it. It’s kinda hard to pull off - much harder than solving one player and letting the dominoes fall in line from there. So the odds of success are basically nil.

3. They are never going to change their mind, because they already “solved the game” (insert mocking spongebob here).

Which of these three apply to you?

shockingly, my worst trait seems to be convincing people

however, if I'm right, it will be self evident tomorrow, so I wouldn't need much convincing, just pointing at it.

the best part about it however, in case I'm wrong, I know where I went wrong and can point that out, saving the game.

So I'm pretty sure neither of your three options applies to me.

[bo_sox48]

I want a four way tie because this is boring ##vote damo

[Kakarroto]

i only present facts

any conclusion you may draw from them is entirely up to you

do you regard these facts as a smear?

This is not financial advice

this post is not intended as or should be construed as legal advice. for legal help, seek a lawyer

where's eden when you need him ...

[bo_sox48]

I want a four way tie because this is boring ##vote damo

I actually think this is where I would prefer to end up today.

[Kakarroto]

I'd like to have a vote count. It's only 22 more minutes, right?

[Chaqa]

I'd like to have a vote count. It's only 22 more minutes, right?

http://mafia.peterlund.se

[bo_sox48]

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/game_status?g=1023

[bo_sox48]

reeeeeeeee

[Kakarroto]

I haven't used the bot in about my last ten games and don't plan to use it in this or the next ones. I was politely asking Eden to give us a official one with which I can work.

[Kakarroto]

But thanks you two for linking the bot. You wanting to help is appreciated.

[bozotheclown]

I’d like to point out all three of my voters basic reason for voting me is that I have suspected them at various points.

This is not accurate.

[bo_sox48]

Bozo let’s get damo

[damo666]

As should be obvious to the reader Bona is my alternative to Chaqa. Prefer Chaqa though.

13 minutes

No ties