M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

Instead of being self righteous enough to think your vote is going to matter any differently if you make it with 20 minutes to go, you could force him and his teammates to react to your vote putting him in the lead with half a day until the deadline and potentially expose him more convincingly. You’re just leaving the door open for a teammate that might be bussing him right now, as Bona, for example, is apt to do, to quietly hop off and lose the momentum his wagon has knowing that if he stays on until you are ready to go he’ll be in a more difficult spot.

Likewise, I know your vote on damo is completely meaningless and don’t really feel like pushing a wagon driven into the lead by someone who is openly uncommitted to it so I’m just going to ##VOTE worcej since he’s my second choice and that’s where you’re evidently going to end up anyway.

This post could be the result of a Chaqa, damo, bo_sox scum team.

This is fair.

[Chaqa]

What is your current thinking on the best scum candidates?

everything i've put in thread had been my thoughts, but some individual candidates make other people possible to be scum, and others rule those people out. i have no pool of 4 where i believe i can find 3 scum

You should be able to use those connections to find 3 that fit though, if your assumptions about those connections are correct.

Making arbitrary teams is not how you win mafia.

We vote out the scummiest person and then re-evaluate.

[Chaqa]

There's this weird Bozo-damo axis hyper-focused on me and I can't really figure out a scum motivation for it, outside me being a potential miskill.

Which is why I'm leaning toward worcej today.

[worcej]

i killed two townies - what have you done?

Not something to be proud of if you’re town…

it's doing SOMETHING

what have you done?

Continued to be obstinate towards you is something at least.

[worcej]

Bona is getting scummier and scummier. Problem is being Bona that does not necessarily mean he's scum!

Been thinking this for quite awhile now…

[worcej]

Agreed lmao, is there a new one?

There is a new survey, please provide your scum pool, up to 4 players.

Have your surveys EVER caught scum?
Ever?

Just once?

Yes, when mechanics facilitate it such as the one game that Jamie did involving British politics and then the one that was made based on Firefly

[bozotheclown]

everything i've put in thread had been my thoughts, but some individual candidates make other people possible to be scum, and others rule those people out. i have no pool of 4 where i believe i can find 3 scum

You should be able to use those connections to find 3 that fit though, if your assumptions about those connections are correct.

Making arbitrary teams is not how you win mafia.

We vote out the scummiest person and then re-evaluate.

That's OK for D1, but we only have 1 mis-kill remaining, so we need to try to figure out the scum team. If we mis-kill today, it will be 4-3 D4, making it very hard to DK scum.

[Bonatogether]

Not something to be proud of if you’re town…

it's doing SOMETHING

what have you done?

Continued to be obstinate towards you is something at least.

does it contribute to the collective understanding of the town of your alignment and that of others?

[Bonatogether]

You should be able to use those connections to find 3 that fit though, if your assumptions about those connections are correct.

Making arbitrary teams is not how you win mafia.

We vote out the scummiest person and then re-evaluate.

That's OK for D1, but we only have 1 mis-kill remaining, so we need to try to figure out the scum team. If we mis-kill today, it will be 4-3 D4, making it very hard to DK scum.

we need to find scum today, then we can figure shit out when we have a definite reference point

[bozotheclown]

Making arbitrary teams is not how you win mafia.

We vote out the scummiest person and then re-evaluate.

That's OK for D1, but we only have 1 mis-kill remaining, so we need to try to figure out the scum team. If we mis-kill today, it will be 4-3 D4, making it very hard to DK scum.

we need to find scum today, then we can figure shit out when we have a definite reference point

That would help.

[worcej]

Although, damo is the weakest read in my scum pool, and I am starting to worry that worcej vs. damo would be town vs. town.

My read on Damo is also starting to get softer as this day has progressed.

##vote kak since few people want to vote for bona it seems.

[worcej]

it's doing SOMETHING

what have you done?

Continued to be obstinate towards you is something at least.

does it contribute to the collective understanding of the town of your alignment and that of others?

Depends if people share my assessment that you’re behaving almost exclusively anti-town and have pushed for the death of now confirmed multiple town players with meh cases.

[bozotheclown]

Making arbitrary teams is not how you win mafia.

We vote out the scummiest person and then re-evaluate.

That's OK for D1, but we only have 1 mis-kill remaining, so we need to try to figure out the scum team. If we mis-kill today, it will be 4-3 D4, making it very hard to DK scum.

we need to find scum today, then we can figure shit out when we have a definite reference point

My theory, if you are town, is that Chaqa voted for you D2 to try to get another town wagon going to protect Kakarroto.

[worcej]

everything i've put in thread had been my thoughts, but some individual candidates make other people possible to be scum, and others rule those people out. i have no pool of 4 where i believe i can find 3 scum

You should be able to use those connections to find 3 that fit though, if your assumptions about those connections are correct.

this game isn't a logic puzzle that just requires the creation of links between people

EVERY mafia game is a logic puzzle

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE Kakarroto

[Bonatogether]

Continued to be obstinate towards you is something at least.

does it contribute to the collective understanding of the town of your alignment and that of others?

Depends if people share my assessment that you’re behaving almost exclusively anti-town and have pushed for the death of now confirmed multiple town players with meh cases.

if you honestly believed that, you could point it out and centralize it by making a case. understand if you can't do it, though, cause im town

[Bonatogether]

You should be able to use those connections to find 3 that fit though, if your assumptions about those connections are correct.

this game isn't a logic puzzle that just requires the creation of links between people

EVERY mafia game is a logic puzzle

call me when you make a constructive post

[worcej]

There's this weird Bozo-damo axis hyper-focused on me and I can't really figure out a scum motivation for it, outside me being a potential miskill.

Which is why I'm leaning toward worcej today.

So how am I the scummiest then?

[Kakarroto]

The scumteam killing rdr indicates they are PR hunting which bodes well for us imo, it means participation is not very likely to be punished by a nightkill. It also means that killing lurkers by day is a very valid strategy because our PRs should see that kill and feel like their best defense is to play hard, so they probably won’t be hiding that way anymore.

why would you think RD would be likely PR, and why would mafia think that?

I don't get your logic, why does a RD target mean that we should focus on lurkers? And any potential lurking PR should change their behaviour? Wouldn't that just point to them and make it easier for mafia to pick them up?

Correct me if I misunderstand you but that sounds awful (well except for more participation, but it seems like you want to goat PR's here).

Well I petted rdr N1 so obviously I thought he might be a the dog lol.

PRs should be active and participate because the mafia is looking for PRs among people who are not actively participating, as the rdr kill in my opinion demonstrates, and you haven’t disputed that. And yes, lurking PRs should change their behavior, and we should kill lurkers because once the PRs wisely stray away from that path the remaining ones include a deep threat.

Why else do you suppose rdr was killed? Your killing anti-survey people makes zero sense, and I am still hoping you’re being sarcastic by supposing the mafia started off their quest to kill anti-survey folks, a goal that would take the entire game and has no stated gain for them, with the least talkative and most apathetic of the anti-survey post as opposed to any of the other ones.

So let’s think through some alternatives:
a) The mafia team is comprised of all the other anti-survey people that are being louder about it than rdrivera! But in that case they killed an ally.
b) The mafia team killed rdrivera because he had one of them pinned in an inescapable corner! But he didn’t have anyone pinned in a corner and wasn’t doing anything.
c) The mafia team killed rdrivera because he was the most dangerous player remaining to them in some hypothetical scenario down the road. What scenario could that be?
d) The mafia team killed rdrivera because they thought he was a PR. You didn’t explain why this doesn’t make sense.
e) (insert your answer here)

What do you mean zero sense, of course there is a sense there, to get more information out of town by removing people who don't contribute, there are more people left who contribute. Ergo more information on the survey. A survey that helps locate the dog if every town participates honestly. Plus mafia can bolster each other by 'petting' each other.

Also, removing RD was probably motivated because the mafia doesn't want to target a PR, on top of that RD was thought of being towny by many and wasn't giving info about the dog ... because if they target the target of the dog, then they trigger the dogs power and mafia want to avoid that, right? So RD making his trademark vanilla claim was a godsend to them since the dog would surely not protect RD since mafia is trying to hunt PR, right? Also even if the mafia would target RD in that night, so early the dog doesn't want to use their power just because of a vanilla town, even if to confirm his townyness. So because these 3 reasons lined up and RD was most likely not going to be protected at night, RD was chosen.

RD being targeted for being a PR candidate makes only sense for people who don't know RD (or think he would gamble his trademark tell for being safe as PR in a mini).

[worcej]

does it contribute to the collective understanding of the town of your alignment and that of others?

Depends if people share my assessment that you’re behaving almost exclusively anti-town and have pushed for the death of now confirmed multiple town players with meh cases.

if you honestly believed that, you could point it out and centralize it by making a case. understand if you can't do it, though, cause im town

Honestly, it’s more that I don’t have the ability to form a case on you due to the fact I am on my phone and have limited windows of opportunity to post. Couple that with your volume, of which 90% is worthless, and then it’s impossible to hit at it with your actual posts.

So I can only really present the fact that my review of your actions so far have been anti-town and you’re getting people killed by just being the loudspeaker at either opportunistic scum or town-lemmings who just listen to you at the last second.

Your whole case on me is that ‘I am not doing anything’ which is substantially false and you’re only saying it because you don’t like or agree with my opinion.