M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[Bonatogether]

N1 dog checks:

bozo: ghug
Chaqa: bozo
Bonatogether: no check
heartthrob: damo
lfischl: Kakarroto
Kakarroto: refuses to participate
bo_sox: rdrivera
celaph: no check
worcej: Chaqa
rdrivera: refuses to participate
damo: refuses to participate

N2 dog checks:

worcej: bozo
Bonatogether: no check
lfischl: worcej
Chaqa: rdrivera
bozo: worcej

My initial reaction D2 was that heartthrob and lfischl seemed likely to be town for responding quickly (Chaqa responded quickly also, but I was already suspecting him for other reasons). Also, bo_sox and worcej seemed likely to be town for defending the survey, because I doubt either would do that to try to pocket me when I had a good chance of being the DK. With celaph and rdrivera no longer in the game, Bonatogether, Kakarroto, and damo are the only remaining dissenters.

I still suspect Chaqa, so that leaves Bonatogether, Kakarroto, damo, and Chaqa as my scum pool.

this is the most peabrain way of finding scum

why on earth is there a simple binary of 'respond = town' and 'not respond = scum'

I am beginning to think celaph and rdrivera are town.

really

[Bonatogether]

no way

never would have guessed

[Bonatogether]

Kakarroto
lfischl
Bonatogether
heartthrob24909
bo_sox47
worcej
damo666
bozotheclown

This is roughly where I'm at

would move fisch down but basically agree

How far down?

not an answerable question

[bozotheclown]

Well I petted rdr N1 so obviously I thought he might be a the dog lol.

PRs should be active and participate because the mafia is looking for PRs among people who are not actively participating, as the rdr kill in my opinion demonstrates, and you haven’t disputed that. And yes, lurking PRs should change their behavior, and we should kill lurkers because once the PRs wisely stray away from that path the remaining ones include a deep threat.

Why else do you suppose rdr was killed? Your killing anti-survey people makes zero sense, and I am still hoping you’re being sarcastic by supposing the mafia started off their quest to kill anti-survey folks, a goal that would take the entire game and has no stated gain for them, with the least talkative and most apathetic of the anti-survey post as opposed to any of the other ones.

So let’s think through some alternatives:
a) The mafia team is comprised of all the other anti-survey people that are being louder about it than rdrivera! But in that case they killed an ally.
b) The mafia team killed rdrivera because he had one of them pinned in an inescapable corner! But he didn’t have anyone pinned in a corner and wasn’t doing anything.
c) The mafia team killed rdrivera because he was the most dangerous player remaining to them in some hypothetical scenario down the road. What scenario could that be?
d) The mafia team killed rdrivera because they thought he was a PR. You didn’t explain why this doesn’t make sense.
e) (insert your answer here)

I think I like "a".

it's like talking to a brick

Do you think if all the mafia reported dog checks, they would be motivated to NK rdrivera because he did not?

[Bonatogether]

I think this is what the mafia would like the town to think.

are you accusing kak?

Yes, he is in my scum pool of 4, and there are 3 mafia.

i'm going to ignore you

[bozotheclown]

would move fisch down but basically agree

How far down?

not an answerable question

I just need to know if he is in your bottom 4.

[Bonatogether]

I think I like "a".

it's like talking to a brick

Do you think if all the mafia reported dog checks, they would be motivated to NK rdrivera because he did not?

i don't understand the question

[bozotheclown]

are you accusing kak?

Yes, he is in my scum pool of 4, and there are 3 mafia.

i'm going to ignore you

That is what a scum would say.

[Bonatogether]

How far down?

not an answerable question

I just need to know if he is in your bottom 4.

idk

[Bonatogether]

Yes, he is in my scum pool of 4, and there are 3 mafia.

i'm going to ignore you

That is what a scum would say.

scum bona has never ignored anyone

scum bona trolls to an extreme degree and never shuts up about things

[bozotheclown]

it's like talking to a brick

Do you think if all the mafia reported dog checks, they would be motivated to NK rdrivera because he did not?

i don't understand the question

You seemed to agree with Kakarroto that the mafia NKed rdrivera because he did not participate in the survey, I was trying to figure out your reason.

[Bonatogether]

Do you think if all the mafia reported dog checks, they would be motivated to NK rdrivera because he did not?

i don't understand the question

You seemed to agree with Kakarroto that the mafia NKed rdrivera because he did not participate in the survey, I was trying to figure out your reason.

i believe that reporting checks is pro-scum, and so it would be in the interest of scum to kill people against checking. that fits rdr, but i cannot say why they chose to kill him, as there are other potential reasons

[heartthrob24909]

With only one mis-kill left, I think it would be a good idea to have everyone go on record with their scum pool, up to 4:

bozo: Bonatogether, Chaqa, damo, Kakarroto
Chaqa: bo_sox, bozo, damo, worcej

1. Chaqa or damo but not both, because of this feud
2. worcej, because i have a foggier idea of where they stand compared to some others like bona which i'm more confident about being town
3. Even though I place trust in bozotheclown and his survey i could be swayed on him bc of how the celaph vote turned out, even though i voted for celaph too.
4. bo_sox strikes me as aggressive but not necessarily mafia, lol.
5. I think that leaves Kak and lfisch

i'm gonna brainstorm this Q to try and come up with a solid guess of 4 but that's where my head is at in general

wrt 4 - is being aggressive generally scum-indicative, as you see it?

no but it makes him stand out compared to the others

[bozotheclown]

this is an interesting statement - what prompted this @bozo

It was just an observation, I do not remember who was voting for me when I said that.

you can check quite easily with the handy-dandy bot

I checked and it was Kakarroto, rdrivera, and celaph, so I was almost right.

[Bonatogether]

1. Chaqa or damo but not both, because of this feud
2. worcej, because i have a foggier idea of where they stand compared to some others like bona which i'm more confident about being town
3. Even though I place trust in bozotheclown and his survey i could be swayed on him bc of how the celaph vote turned out, even though i voted for celaph too.
4. bo_sox strikes me as aggressive but not necessarily mafia, lol.
5. I think that leaves Kak and lfisch

i'm gonna brainstorm this Q to try and come up with a solid guess of 4 but that's where my head is at in general

wrt 4 - is being aggressive generally scum-indicative, as you see it?

no but it makes him stand out compared to the others

is standing out towny or scummy?

[bozotheclown]

Suggesting that the mafia would want to remove rdrivera from the game because he refused to participate in the dog survey seems scum motivated.

##VOTE Kakarroto

[Bonatogether]

i would be fine with either a bozo or worcej vote

##vote worcej for competitiveness

[bo_sox48]

why would you think RD would be likely PR, and why would mafia think that?

I don't get your logic, why does a RD target mean that we should focus on lurkers? And any potential lurking PR should change their behaviour? Wouldn't that just point to them and make it easier for mafia to pick them up?

Correct me if I misunderstand you but that sounds awful (well except for more participation, but it seems like you want to goat PR's here).

Well I petted rdr N1 so obviously I thought he might be a the dog lol.

PRs should be active and participate because the mafia is looking for PRs among people who are not actively participating, as the rdr kill in my opinion demonstrates, and you haven’t disputed that. And yes, lurking PRs should change their behavior, and we should kill lurkers because once the PRs wisely stray away from that path the remaining ones include a deep threat.

Why else do you suppose rdr was killed? Your killing anti-survey people makes zero sense, and I am still hoping you’re being sarcastic by supposing the mafia started off their quest to kill anti-survey folks, a goal that would take the entire game and has no stated gain for them, with the least talkative and most apathetic of the anti-survey post as opposed to any of the other ones.

So let’s think through some alternatives:
a) The mafia team is comprised of all the other anti-survey people that are being louder about it than rdrivera! But in that case they killed an ally.
b) The mafia team killed rdrivera because he had one of them pinned in an inescapable corner! But he didn’t have anyone pinned in a corner and wasn’t doing anything.
c) The mafia team killed rdrivera because he was the most dangerous player remaining to them in some hypothetical scenario down the road. What scenario could that be?
d) The mafia team killed rdrivera because they thought he was a PR. You didn’t explain why this doesn’t make sense.
e) (insert your answer here)

I think I like "a".

And I would believe Kaka could too, but he strongly townreads Bona, who is, if town, the obvious first kill among the dissenters.

[bo_sox48]

Today should be damo v worcej v lfischl maybe, as a wildcard

I will take that as your scum pool unless you say otherwise.

Otherwise

[bo_sox48]

pot meet kettle?

i killed two townies - what have you done?

Not something to be proud of if you’re town…

Contrived