M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[Bonatogether]

On phone. Aware of situation. Tires bad. ##vote bunny

goated

##vote bunny

i want to give fisch townpoints but his first eod vote sucked

[damo666]

##vote Chaqa

why did you tie it

Xpost with celaph's vote. I was trying to untie it.

[Bonatogether]

Lfischl is locktown

do not understand where this comes from after that eod

[damo666]

goated

##vote bunny

i want to give fisch townpoints but his first eod vote sucked

He was probably just trying to avoid a tie like I was and celaph presumably was. Not particularly AI.

[damo666]

Anyway, imo flip Chaqa and we solve fishy.

[Bonatogether]

D1 Final Votecount:

BunnyGo (4): Bonatogether, bozotheclown, celaph, lfischl
Chaqa (2): ghug, damo666
ghug (2): Kakarroto, heartthrob24909
damo666 (1): Chaqa
celaph (1): rdrivera2005
bo_sox48 (1): BunnyGo

with knowledge that celaph was town (and me too) - i don't feel good with the idea that no scum were on bongo

[bo_sox48]

Supposing bozo was saved who was the scumteam driver? There were several people with votes already on them when Bona and I jumped to celaph from lfischl and started that wagon, and bozo was third. Does heart know to come in with a clutch tiebreaking vote on celaph in that scenario?

If bozo is scum I find it very unlikely that lfischl is his teammate from that EOD.

[damo666]

D1 Final Votecount:

BunnyGo (4): Bonatogether, bozotheclown, celaph, lfischl
Chaqa (2): ghug, damo666
ghug (2): Kakarroto, heartthrob24909
damo666 (1): Chaqa
celaph (1): rdrivera2005
bo_sox48 (1): BunnyGo

with knowledge that celaph was town (and me too) - i don't feel good with the idea that no scum were on bongo

I think you are right. Assuming you are town, knowing I am town and calling Kak town (my belief) the team would have to be precisely {heart, Chaqa, rdr}, pretty unlikely.

[Chaqa]

Had a look at first 2 days' votes with the following observations:

Bozo and Bona are double townkillers.

Bozo's D1 move from Chaqa to Bunny making it 3-3 from 4-2 is noteworthy but Chaqa's late move to Bozo D2 confuses.

Lot of votes putting Bozo in danger D2 so on the face of it if he is scum his partners lie in {Bona, bo, heart, worcej}. However as Bozo is 2s on to be town I think going this route is too risky.

I still favour a Chaqa flip.

Ofc night events may alter this.

Let's see.

I've highlighted an especially egregious sentence from Damo that just shows Damo is arguing in bad faith and has no idea why I suspect Bozo or why I would vote him over a town read of mine in celaph.

Damo is either scum or not actively reading, which is unusual for him, no?

[Chaqa]

Lfischl is locktown

do not understand where this comes from after that eod

The world works in mysterious ways.

[Chaqa]

So anyway, Damo, I suggest you read my posts before just saying I'm scum and such.

[Chaqa]

Rivera has also basically been under the radar all game.

[Bonatogether]

##Vote bozotheclown

I can't believe you are bussing me after I saved you D1.

i forget if bozo joking is a towntell or a scumtell

still don't remember

[Bonatogether]

I ran some mafia AI I found online and it said the scum team is Bonatogether, celaph, and Kakarroto.

lmao

[Bonatogether]

Some notes about EOD:

Damo is solid town to me, can't see scum tying a vote to save town Bunny.

I dislike Celaph EOD. Parking on Bunny and saying Chaqa is a better vote.

I also dislike heart vote. Can easily see him as scum with Chaqa if he has some previous experience on Mafia games elsewhere.

I really dislike these takes as a whole.

Starting with me: Bunny and Chaqa were my two favorite wagons come EoD. I preferred Chaqa because, as I had mentioned earlier, I had okay reasons to justify a town Bunny slot (I thought the way he was generating info was pro-town). That's why I voted for Chaqa with about 30 minutes left. I only switched to voting Bunny with less than a minute left and tied 3 to 3. Of course, I still preferred Chaqa to die. I only switched my vote to avoid a tie. You can absolutely criticize me for not pushing Chaqa more, but you didn't. This feels scummy.

Regarding Damo: Damo either saw my vote or he didn't. If he didn't see my vote then he wasn't trying to tie the vote, he was trying to break a tie. That is a perfectly reasonable thing to do as both town and mafia. And if he did see my vote, then he was trying to tie the vote and he sure is hell isn't town. I think it's quite likely that Damo didn't see my vote, but either way, this line of arguing is rather weak. That said, I will agree that Damo is unlikely scum with Chaqa.

I agree with your assessment that Heart's vote might make sense from an experienced scum player, but my understanding is that Heart isn't particularly experienced. So I don't have a particular problem with this vote.

[Bonatogether]

its hard to know where to start. why do you think people are targeting you?

This is a really weird question. Softball. “Hey look at me I’m doing something”

I feel like Heart's thoughts are simple, but not scummy. "I'm talking to Bunny, the top wagon. Let me ask him about that." If you assume he knows nothing about the game state, he sent a decent starting question. Obviously, it would be better if there was more opinions and depth involved, but I don't think his initial question was bad.

[damo666]

Had a look at first 2 days' votes with the following observations:

Bozo and Bona are double townkillers.

Bozo's D1 move from Chaqa to Bunny making it 3-3 from 4-2 is noteworthy but Chaqa's late move to Bozo D2 confuses.

Lot of votes putting Bozo in danger D2 so on the face of it if he is scum his partners lie in {Bona, bo, heart, worcej}. However as Bozo is 2s on to be town I think going this route is too risky.

I still favour a Chaqa flip.

Ofc night events may alter this.

Let's see.

I've highlighted an especially egregious sentence from Damo that just shows Damo is arguing in bad faith and has no idea why I suspect Bozo or why I would vote him over a town read of mine in celaph.

Damo is either scum or not actively reading, which is unusual for him, no?

I think you misinterpret. Your D2 vote probably means Bozo's D1 switch is not suspicious after all. I think you are not both scum. You may be both town but I lean one scum/one town and it's something like 60/40 S/T C/B.

[bozotheclown]

damo's vote for Chaqa at D1 EOD is the only thing keeping me from thinking damo and Chaqa are mafia teammates. Even with that, it is possible.

[bozotheclown]

damo would have to be mafia for the scum to be on 3 different wagons D2.

It seems more likely the mafia distributed their votes D1.

Possible combinations for the mafia to be on 3 different wagons D1:
Bonatogether, damo, Kakarroto
Bonatogether, damo, heartthrob
Bonatogether, damo, Chaqa
Bonatogether, damo, rdrivera
Bonatogether, Kakarroto, Chaqa
Bonatogether, Kakarroto, rdrivera
Bonatogether, heartthrob, Chaqa
Bonatogether, heartthrob, rdrivera
Bonatogether, Chaqa, rdrivera
lfischl, damo, Kakarroto
lfischl, damo, heartthrob
lfischl, damo, Chaqa
lfischl, damo, rdrivera
lfischl, Kakarroto, Chaqa
lfischl, Kakarroto, rdrivera
lfischl, heartthrob, Chaqa
lfischl, heartthrob, rdrivera
lfischl, Chaqa, rdrivera
damo, Kakarroto, Chaqa
damo, Kakarroto, rdrivera
damo, heartthrob, Chaqa
damo, heartthrob, rdrivera
damo, Chaqa, rdrivera
Kakarroto, Chaqa, rdrivera
heartthrob, Chaqa, rdrivera

[bozotheclown]

Everyone except damo ended on a confirmed town wagon D2 (from my perspective).

Everyone except damo, Chaqa, and lfischl ended on a confirmed town wagon D1.

If Chaqa and damo are town, then every player still in the game ended on a town wagon D1.

In other words, if there has been any bussing, Chaqa and damo or Chaqa and lfischl are mafia.