M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[celaph]

thanks for talking to me celaph i appreciate your engagement

Sorry Bona, I have been catching up and your scumread hasn't been particularly objectionable.

[Bonatogether]

I could be down for celaph I suppose, lol

##vote celaph

[Kakarroto]

I feel like you townread Bona and then only gave reasons to scumread him. Why the townread?

Going to bed soon, current thoughts:

Kak: Probably town. I thought his read and changing thoughts around ghug were quite perceptive and mirrored mine. Also, I feel like his EoN thoughts had a healthy amount of fear that I was copying him.

ayo?

Yeah, I townread Kak yet I am still confused by his reads. I would like to understand them because maybe he has a good reason for townreading you that I've missed and I like when I can townread people.

I'll try to bring it into numbers for you:

+3 sympathy bonus (plays the same game)
+3 conviction bonus (pretty straight behaviour, action where mouth is)
+5 logic bonus (thinks the same about the survey)
+1 upvote bonus (upvote behaviour looks consistent)
+/- 0 ping bonus/penalty (single statements that leans me town/mafia)
-1 caution penalty (bona is good in making his maf play look like town play)

well it is a bit memey, but true. I've also told bo my thoughts on bona, please check them out and hit me up if you have further questions

[President Eden]

about an hour left

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formal vcu when I get home soonish

[Bonatogether]

thanks for talking to me celaph i appreciate your engagement

Sorry Bona, I have been catching up and your scumread hasn't been particularly objectionable.

catching up is for lame-os

talking to me is the best thing to do

glad to know you don't object to my read

[bozotheclown]

Usually at least one scum tries to get me mis-killed over an objectionable survey, but maybe all of my voters today are town.

[bo_sox48]

The point of the survey from my perspective was to force the mafia to fabricate a response, and to provide information to the dog, which in the best case scenario could catch a scum. However, that required full participation by town, which obviously has not happened.

That’s not true at all; this didn’t require any town participation.

[bo_sox48]

I could be down for celaph I suppose, lol

##vote celaph

##VOTE celaph

[celaph]

I feel like you townread Kak and then only gave reasons to scumread him. Why the townread?

Is this a joke?

The way that Kak shifted his perception of ghug as ghug posted more makes me think that he was actively building an understanding of ghug's role. That's what town members do. It's very towny. As an addition, I also like Chaqa's townread pointing out that Kak is bringing in a lot of new information into the conversation in a way that is pro-town and making it look like he's actually trying to solve the game.

you say that you like that he's changing reads, but also that you can't understand them. if i change my reads in an incomprehensible way, will you townread me as well? understand you like to townread people :)

It is not simply that I either understand all of his reads or understand none of his reads. I understand his read on ghug and I didn't understand his read on you.

[bo_sox48]

ayo?

Yeah, I townread Kak yet I am still confused by his reads. I would like to understand them because maybe he has a good reason for townreading you that I've missed and I like when I can townread people.

I'll try to bring it into numbers for you:

+3 sympathy bonus (plays the same game)
+3 conviction bonus (pretty straight behaviour, action where mouth is)
+5 logic bonus (thinks the same about the survey)
+1 upvote bonus (upvote behaviour looks consistent)
+/- 0 ping bonus/penalty (single statements that leans me town/mafia)
-1 caution penalty (bona is good in making his maf play look like town play)

well it is a bit memey, but true. I've also told bo my thoughts on bona, please check them out and hit me up if you have further questions

what

[Kakarroto]

Earlier I asked people about ghug and why the mafia would target him. The answers so far were pretty decent (I'd disagree with the ones who would say 'all' or name me specifically who would've targeted him since I'd preferred someone else to ruthlessly remove them from the game but that is just a minor appendix), there is however one reason no one spoke out (well Chaqa did kinda though in reverse logic):

Nobody said ghug was targeted because of his vote. Not even a short mention with 'oh it might be silly but ...', it's like everyone forgot that as an option (besides with an asterisk Chaqa). There were some games where mafia did target someone who voted for them and since most don't know Chaqa's alignment I at least expected that reasoning to come up.

But all I got was 'ghug is a respected member of the community and dangerous for mafia'. I'm not sure what to think about it exactly, but something doesn't add up. I hope it's not because I'm crazy.

ghug target based on vote implicated chaqa - do you think that's what did it?

Not necessarily, but a possibility. For that to be true, Chaqa needs to be mafia of course. He said he wouldn't do ghug this favour if he was, but there is also the possibility to be outvoted by the two other. Plus the team would probably look like Chaqa-bozo-bo or Chaqa-bozo-celaph or Chaqa-bo-celaph. I'm not sure how the probability for all that working together has to be but it is not too likely.

Hmm maybe I'm wrong about the composition and it's because Chaqa is the wolf in sheep fur (godfather), but that is a very wild thought.

[bozotheclown]

The point of the survey from my perspective was to force the mafia to fabricate a response, and to provide information to the dog, which in the best case scenario could catch a scum. However, that required full participation by town, which obviously has not happened.

That’s not true at all; this didn’t require any town participation.

I think full town participation would have made it harder for scum not to participate.

[bo_sox48]

Okay, so full town participation is required to make it harder for scum, but full town participation is not required to coerce scum into fabricating a response.

[bo_sox48]

Earlier I asked people about ghug and why the mafia would target him. The answers so far were pretty decent (I'd disagree with the ones who would say 'all' or name me specifically who would've targeted him since I'd preferred someone else to ruthlessly remove them from the game but that is just a minor appendix), there is however one reason no one spoke out (well Chaqa did kinda though in reverse logic):

Nobody said ghug was targeted because of his vote. Not even a short mention with 'oh it might be silly but ...', it's like everyone forgot that as an option (besides with an asterisk Chaqa). There were some games where mafia did target someone who voted for them and since most don't know Chaqa's alignment I at least expected that reasoning to come up.

But all I got was 'ghug is a respected member of the community and dangerous for mafia'. I'm not sure what to think about it exactly, but something doesn't add up. I hope it's not because I'm crazy.

ghug target based on vote implicated chaqa - do you think that's what did it?

Not necessarily, but a possibility. For that to be true, Chaqa needs to be mafia of course. He said he wouldn't do ghug this favour if he was, but there is also the possibility to be outvoted by the two other. Plus the team would probably look like Chaqa-bozo-bo or Chaqa-bozo-celaph or Chaqa-bo-celaph. I'm not sure how the probability for all that working together has to be but it is not too likely.

Hmm maybe I'm wrong about the composition and it's because Chaqa is the wolf in sheep fur (godfather), but that is a very wild thought.

These are brand new scumreads. Are they scumreads?

[bozotheclown]

If all the wagons D1 were town, any of the celaph, damo, and lfischl votes at EOD could have been to make sure a town got DKed instead of the vote ending in a tie.

[Chaqa]

To Rdr's above point that there survey mechanics are dominating the thread, I want to review the people who aren't coming up particularly often.

Damo: He has been rather inactive as a whole, but when he has been around I feel like he's done a great job condensing down what has happened into reasonable points. My big wish is that he made more content so we'd have more to go off of.
@Damo

• Besides Chaqa, who do you scum/town read?
• What convinced you to vote for Bunny yesterday?

Chaqa: Nothing he did D1 gave me any confidence that he was town. N1 his only notable post was that he townlocked lfischl which he hasn't since explained (small townlean to lfischl for his reaction to this). I think he's done a great job today explaining why Kak is towncore, but I'm otherwise rather meh on him today.
@Chaqa, what are your current views on Damo and Worcej?

lfischl: I really struggle to parse his comments in a way that makes sense to me. At least it feels like he's asking good questions, but the lack of his own opinion is rather scummy.

I'd vote for either of them

[Bonatogether]

Is this a joke?

The way that Kak shifted his perception of ghug as ghug posted more makes me think that he was actively building an understanding of ghug's role. That's what town members do. It's very towny. As an addition, I also like Chaqa's townread pointing out that Kak is bringing in a lot of new information into the conversation in a way that is pro-town and making it look like he's actually trying to solve the game.

you say that you like that he's changing reads, but also that you can't understand them. if i change my reads in an incomprehensible way, will you townread me as well? understand you like to townread people :)

It is not simply that I either understand all of his reads or understand none of his reads. I understand his read on ghug and I didn't understand his read on you.

feel like it's hard to understand only one thing kak is doing. he's a little weird but once you get him, you like get him

[celaph]

For heart, I almost feel like we are getting played, like the basic noob shows up and everyone is like "oh if he is more experienced he would do this" and then he's actually scum. Just my thoughts

If Heart is actually an experienced player, I feel like it is relatively easy for that player to just show up and play a moderately experienced game without knowing any meta. Instead, we have a heart that is acting like a noob. I think it's very hard for an experienced player to act like a noob well because they think differently. Hence, I think it's far more likely that Heart is actually a noob.

[Kakarroto]

What reactions made you want to consider voting for damo, who you also neither scumread nor townread?

there was a response earlier, don't exactly know on top of my hat if it was D1, N1 or later, which made me and rubbed me the wrong way, but I concluded that it was probably just my inability to understand him.

[Chaqa]

I don't think celaph is mafia