M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

Still not particularly scumreading anyone. I maintain Chaqa is a good info flip.

[Bonatogether]

info flips are bad on principle

[damo666]

info flips are bad on principle

Why?

[bo_sox48]

Who wants to ##VOTE damo

[Bonatogether]

info flips are bad on principle

Why?

you could try to kill scum instead

[bo_sox48]

I like you bona

[damo666]

info flips are bad on principle

Why?

you could try to kill scum instead

Why can't Chaqa be scum?

[damo666]

Who wants to ##VOTE damo

You

[Bonatogether]

Why?

you could try to kill scum instead

Why can't Chaqa be scum?

he could be

but saying 'killing chaqa gives us info' gives you nothing because you don't learn who's voting to save him and who's actually scum reading him, for example. i'm not opposed to killing chaqa SO LONG AS there's an actual arguable case

[bo_sox48]

I am probably going to miss the deadline and I am not especially inclined to change my vote

[worcej]

bozo givith cringe reasoning

are not the scum more likely to lie (with literally no blowback possibility) versus singling themselves out by refusing to answer

Bona's spot on here.

I disagree - the ones protesting most of all strike me as more likely scum because it’s a consistent ~vibe~ in this community to protect PRs as if they are a godsend and not risk anything for additional information.

[worcej]

Why do you think the survey is valuable?

It could be valuable and it isn't costing us anything of merit. Bona dismisses the fake pets inserted by scum to mean nothing, but they could very easily be their downfall if they fucked up their claims.

Several people are claiming it shows who we think could be a PR, but I fall in the camp of the fact scum don't give a fuck who the sheep think are a PR - they're going to go with their own information gathering attempts. Let's say we all ended up petting the same person - does that mean they will kill there for sure? Fuck no it doesn't.

call me when we catch any scum with this

fuck yeah it means that everyone thought that this guy was pr lmao

Again - who cares who we think is a PR?

I think Chaqa is a PR - does that move your needle at all?

[worcej]

the cost is medium
the benefits are nil

i do not understand why this is a sticking point

And here is why we're different - it's actually this:

the cost is nil
the benefits are medium

Town should want to build upon information to develop potential connections and facts for future flips. Wanting to limit any information gathering is inherently scummy.

what information have we gained

riddle me this

You gain nothing now - the advantage comes as the game progresses, similar to VCA.

[worcej]

are you actually nuts? what other possibility is there for scum to use the info we have so generously proffered up?

literally no one said their scan until you asked

Stating our scan does not tell the mafia anything about who the dog is.

IT LITERALLY TELLS YOU WHO EACH PLAYER THOUGHT WAS PR

i swear to god this is not fucking hard to understand

WHY IS THAT INFORMATION VALUABLE!?!

[worcej]

im mad

Good - so what dog did you pet?

[worcej]

if you think i'm scum, vote me

no chickenshit shading

Unfortunately I only have one vote today.

lame ass mfer

I thought this was clever as fuck from bozo lol

[worcej]

Apologies for lack of engagement, it's been a pretty busy time for me.

The main discussion point at the moment seems to be the survey. The main advantage I can see is that it will get progressively more uncomfortable for scum. The dog itself has to make it up (not that's a problem of itself and anybody finding the dog has to invent subsequently (again not a problem). The problem is I don't see how we gain and I am worried that there are so many antis, there may be a downside I cannot see for myself. I trust rdr and for that reason I am not going to participate.

I don't think Bozo has done this maliciously and suspect the votes on him are misplaced.

This is a fair take/analysis of the situation. The ones being stubborn about the survey are making any value impossible to get down the road.

Considering, if an objector is town, that a substantial amount of their team has already participated at this point, they should just participate and actually try to cooperate versus being a stick in the mud at this point.

[worcej]

info flips are bad on principle

even worse in smaller games.

[worcej]

I am probably going to miss the deadline and I am not especially inclined to change my vote

This feels more contrived than anything…

[bo_sox48]

I’m at the beach and it’s 45 degrees and windy, my entire life is contrived