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Re: M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

#761 Post by Bonatogether » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:46 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:01 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:41 am
worcej wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:52 am
And why are you putting so much value in this? To me, it’s a red herring and the value comes in that town can signal the dog while also forcing scum to put their neck out with fake claims for pets
Only an incredible stupid scum will fake a claim. They can claim a scan on Ghug. They can claim they didn't plwant to pet. They can claim they forget to pet. They can claim the real scum pet if they missed. They can claim a pet on another scum. And there probably many other options.

Meanwhile townies are giving info to scum about who they think are PRs.
And two people already also claimed the result, which if they are town and not tryng to confuse scum just make the pool smaller for scum.
If you are right about what the mafia would do, that seems like useful information.

Anyone claiming their result is not because of the survey.
are you actually nuts? what other possibility is there for scum to use the info we have so generously proffered up?

literally no one said their scan until you asked

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Re: M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

#762 Post by Chaqa » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:46 pm

bo_sox48 wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 4:57 am
It’s weird for me to feel like a bozo survey is actually serving a good purpose, and even weirder that so many want him daykilled for it. I usually hate his surveys but this one isn’t so mindless.
Which is why he's mafia. Town Bozo's surveys aren't useful.

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Re: M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

#763 Post by Bonatogether » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:47 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:04 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:56 am
bo_sox48 wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 5:26 am


Because you’re talking about it
Abd why this is good? We are spending most of the day discussing survey mechanics which fits perfectly scum agenda.
You are free to discuss something else. If I flip today and you find out that I am town, who do you think are likely to be the 3 mafia? Or, if you are sure I am mafia, who do you think my teammates are?
we got him, he's into default responses like the bot he is
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Re: M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

#764 Post by Chaqa » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:48 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
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heartthrob24909 wrote:
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##vote Kak
I'm leaning the way of the survey is a good thing in the interest of general info gain even if earlier I wasn't sure exactly how we'd use the info
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#765 Post by bozotheclown » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:48 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:43 pm
Kakarroto wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:41 am
Earlier I asked people about ghug and why the mafia would target him. The answers so far were pretty decent (I'd disagree with the ones who would say 'all' or name me specifically who would've targeted him since I'd preferred someone else to ruthlessly remove them from the game but that is just a minor appendix), there is however one reason no one spoke out (well Chaqa did kinda though in reverse logic):

Nobody said ghug was targeted because of his vote. Not even a short mention with 'oh it might be silly but ...', it's like everyone forgot that as an option (besides with an asterisk Chaqa). There were some games where mafia did target someone who voted for them and since most don't know Chaqa's alignment I at least expected that reasoning to come up.

But all I got was 'ghug is a respected member of the community and dangerous for mafia'. I'm not sure what to think about it exactly, but something doesn't add up. I hope it's not because I'm crazy.
+town points to Kak for this point out
Is that because you agree ghug was NKed because he voted for you?

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Re: M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

#766 Post by Bonatogether » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:49 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:31 pm
Kakarroto wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:10 am
bozotheclown wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:52 am
[...]
It is unlikely anyone will give away the identity of the dog by just stating who they checked, and the dog is not a very powerful enough PR to be that worried about protecting their identity. I think the dog check has the potential to be more valuable.
What the heck are you talking about, the sheepdog is the most powerful role we have, saving a townie, clearing a townie, clearing themselves and being able to participate in the next day vote. The later the dog survives the more powerful he becomes with his vote (after a successful save).

What else do we have? A one shot cop with a miller and a godfather? Your scan is weak, you can't guarantee it is useful, you have to be really careful who to scan.

The squirrel? Geh, just go home bozo.
bozotheclown wrote:
Sun Dec 18, 2022 10:18 pm
[...]

There are 3 mafia, they couldn't all say they checked ghug, and there is risk in accidently claiming a check on the dog without knowing they are the dog. There is little risk of revealing the identity of the dog to the mafia, since the dog can safely claim a fake check, and the dog power is not significant enough to be overly worried about giving away their identity.

Assuming the mafia did not check the dog, they had the choice of claiming a check on ghug, claiming a check on someone who may or not may not be the dog, claiming they did not check anyone, or refusing to answer. If they did check the dog, only one would want to give the real dog as their check.

So, the useful results are:
1. the reaction to the survey
2. the potential for the mafia to fake a check on the real dog without knowing the identity of the dog
If you would just think for a second who the mafia could name you would see how bad this take is. There is no chance the mafia would overlook that to use it but would be happy to stay silent since that is a major flaw in your argument. I'd love to slap the reason why into your face but RD said it might be wise to not do so, so I'll wait maybe I'm overlooking something why I shouldn't do that, can't think of everything.

And again, THE DOG IS OUR MOST POWERFUL PR, WE SHOULD GIVE OUR LIVES FOR HIM, again with this stupid pushing of that flawed reasoning. Even fake claiming dog is out of the question, since even if no one had pet that person, it takes just a night to confirm it WITHOUT OUTING THE DOG. So for the future DEAR DOG, DON'T BOTHER TO REACT TO A FAKECLAIM, WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT THE NEXT NIGHT WITHOUT YOU OUTING!!!

And yes, I give you the reaction to that survey is useful, but actual data mostly benefits mafia here and only the refusal or faking data for it is a good town play. But mafia has a very good way to avoid nominating the dog in their 'pets'. Even if they don't do that, the chance for them hitting the dog is low. Town bozo would've noticed all of that. Maf bozo would be happy no one ever would think about that.

##vote bozo
I did not say the dog was useless, but I do not agree that there is useful information for the mafia in the survey.

You make a reasonable counter argument, but for most of this post you seem to be addressing me like you think I am town who has not thought of the things you mention, but then in the end conclude I am mafia. It just seems to me that you know I am town and are just trying to set me up for a mis-kill.
1st para is so blindingly obviously wrong- it does provide info to scum

second para is utterly incomprehensible. would you rather kak assumed that you were scum, and so prove your scumminess?

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Re: M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

#767 Post by Chaqa » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:49 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:48 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:43 pm
Kakarroto wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:41 am
Earlier I asked people about ghug and why the mafia would target him. The answers so far were pretty decent (I'd disagree with the ones who would say 'all' or name me specifically who would've targeted him since I'd preferred someone else to ruthlessly remove them from the game but that is just a minor appendix), there is however one reason no one spoke out (well Chaqa did kinda though in reverse logic):

Nobody said ghug was targeted because of his vote. Not even a short mention with 'oh it might be silly but ...', it's like everyone forgot that as an option (besides with an asterisk Chaqa). There were some games where mafia did target someone who voted for them and since most don't know Chaqa's alignment I at least expected that reasoning to come up.

But all I got was 'ghug is a respected member of the community and dangerous for mafia'. I'm not sure what to think about it exactly, but something doesn't add up. I hope it's not because I'm crazy.
+town points to Kak for this point out
Is that because you agree ghug was NKed because he voted for you?
No, but Kak bringing it up is towny AF.
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#768 Post by bozotheclown » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:50 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:46 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:01 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:41 am


Only an incredible stupid scum will fake a claim. They can claim a scan on Ghug. They can claim they didn't plwant to pet. They can claim they forget to pet. They can claim the real scum pet if they missed. They can claim a pet on another scum. And there probably many other options.

Meanwhile townies are giving info to scum about who they think are PRs.
And two people already also claimed the result, which if they are town and not tryng to confuse scum just make the pool smaller for scum.
If you are right about what the mafia would do, that seems like useful information.

Anyone claiming their result is not because of the survey.
are you actually nuts? what other possibility is there for scum to use the info we have so generously proffered up?

literally no one said their scan until you asked
Stating our scan does not tell the mafia anything about who the dog is.

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Re: M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

#769 Post by Bonatogether » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:50 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:45 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Fri Dec 16, 2022 11:56 pm
So, almost missed EOD. Why Chaqa and why Bo?
If you were online for EOD, why did you never place a meaningful vote?
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#770 Post by bozotheclown » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:52 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:49 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:31 pm
Kakarroto wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:10 am


What the heck are you talking about, the sheepdog is the most powerful role we have, saving a townie, clearing a townie, clearing themselves and being able to participate in the next day vote. The later the dog survives the more powerful he becomes with his vote (after a successful save).

What else do we have? A one shot cop with a miller and a godfather? Your scan is weak, you can't guarantee it is useful, you have to be really careful who to scan.

The squirrel? Geh, just go home bozo.



If you would just think for a second who the mafia could name you would see how bad this take is. There is no chance the mafia would overlook that to use it but would be happy to stay silent since that is a major flaw in your argument. I'd love to slap the reason why into your face but RD said it might be wise to not do so, so I'll wait maybe I'm overlooking something why I shouldn't do that, can't think of everything.

And again, THE DOG IS OUR MOST POWERFUL PR, WE SHOULD GIVE OUR LIVES FOR HIM, again with this stupid pushing of that flawed reasoning. Even fake claiming dog is out of the question, since even if no one had pet that person, it takes just a night to confirm it WITHOUT OUTING THE DOG. So for the future DEAR DOG, DON'T BOTHER TO REACT TO A FAKECLAIM, WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT THE NEXT NIGHT WITHOUT YOU OUTING!!!

And yes, I give you the reaction to that survey is useful, but actual data mostly benefits mafia here and only the refusal or faking data for it is a good town play. But mafia has a very good way to avoid nominating the dog in their 'pets'. Even if they don't do that, the chance for them hitting the dog is low. Town bozo would've noticed all of that. Maf bozo would be happy no one ever would think about that.

##vote bozo
I did not say the dog was useless, but I do not agree that there is useful information for the mafia in the survey.

You make a reasonable counter argument, but for most of this post you seem to be addressing me like you think I am town who has not thought of the things you mention, but then in the end conclude I am mafia. It just seems to me that you know I am town and are just trying to set me up for a mis-kill.
1st para is so blindingly obviously wrong- it does provide info to scum

second para is utterly incomprehensible. would you rather kak assumed that you were scum, and so prove your scumminess?
If he thought I was mafia, he could make that argument, but that was not the argument he was presenting.

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#771 Post by Bonatogether » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:52 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:50 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:46 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:01 pm


If you are right about what the mafia would do, that seems like useful information.

Anyone claiming their result is not because of the survey.
are you actually nuts? what other possibility is there for scum to use the info we have so generously proffered up?

literally no one said their scan until you asked
Stating our scan does not tell the mafia anything about who the dog is.
IT LITERALLY TELLS YOU WHO EACH PLAYER THOUGHT WAS PR

i swear to god this is not fucking hard to understand
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#772 Post by Bonatogether » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:54 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:52 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:49 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:31 pm


I did not say the dog was useless, but I do not agree that there is useful information for the mafia in the survey.

You make a reasonable counter argument, but for most of this post you seem to be addressing me like you think I am town who has not thought of the things you mention, but then in the end conclude I am mafia. It just seems to me that you know I am town and are just trying to set me up for a mis-kill.
1st para is so blindingly obviously wrong- it does provide info to scum

second para is utterly incomprehensible. would you rather kak assumed that you were scum, and so prove your scumminess?
If he thought I was mafia, he could make that argument, but that was not the argument he was presenting.
you're literally just saying nonsense in the knowledge that people will just agree with whatever post they saw last

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#773 Post by Bonatogether » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:54 pm

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#774 Post by bozotheclown » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:54 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:50 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:45 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Fri Dec 16, 2022 11:56 pm
So, almost missed EOD. Why Chaqa and why Bo?
If you were online for EOD, why did you never place a meaningful vote?
into the omgus stretch
If you are playing a mafia strategy of aggressively pushing mis-kills each day, I like it. I tried that one time.

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#775 Post by Bonatogether » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:55 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:54 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:50 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:45 pm


If you were online for EOD, why did you never place a meaningful vote?
into the omgus stretch
If you are playing a mafia strategy of aggressively pushing mis-kills each day, I like it. I tried that one time.
if you think i'm scum, vote me

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Re: M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

#776 Post by Chaqa » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:57 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:52 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:50 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:46 pm

are you actually nuts? what other possibility is there for scum to use the info we have so generously proffered up?

literally no one said their scan until you asked
Stating our scan does not tell the mafia anything about who the dog is.
IT LITERALLY TELLS YOU WHO EACH PLAYER THOUGHT WAS PR

i swear to god this is not fucking hard to understand
Why would you scan someone you think is PR.

I scan people I have no thoughts about whatsoever.

We are not the same.

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#777 Post by bozotheclown » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:57 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:52 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:50 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:46 pm

are you actually nuts? what other possibility is there for scum to use the info we have so generously proffered up?

literally no one said their scan until you asked
Stating our scan does not tell the mafia anything about who the dog is.
IT LITERALLY TELLS YOU WHO EACH PLAYER THOUGHT WAS PR

i swear to god this is not fucking hard to understand
I do not think that is the only reason for a dog check, but if so, how is that more useful to mafia than who they think might be a PR?

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#778 Post by Bonatogether » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:58 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:57 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:52 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:50 pm


Stating our scan does not tell the mafia anything about who the dog is.
IT LITERALLY TELLS YOU WHO EACH PLAYER THOUGHT WAS PR

i swear to god this is not fucking hard to understand
I do not think that is the only reason for a dog check, but if so, how is that more useful to mafia than who they think might be a PR?
it provides more information, to either be discounted (no change from prior) or considered (more info)

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#779 Post by bozotheclown » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:58 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:55 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:54 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:50 pm


into the omgus stretch
If you are playing a mafia strategy of aggressively pushing mis-kills each day, I like it. I tried that one time.
if you think i'm scum, vote me

no chickenshit shading
Unfortunately I only have one vote today.

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#780 Post by Bonatogether » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:59 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:58 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:55 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:54 pm


If you are playing a mafia strategy of aggressively pushing mis-kills each day, I like it. I tried that one time.
if you think i'm scum, vote me

no chickenshit shading
Unfortunately I only have one vote today.
lame ass mfer

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