M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[celaph]

Lfischl is locktown

I'm assuming someone else has question this by now, but if not, say more?

[celaph]

Some notes about EOD:

Damo is solid town to me, can't see scum tying a vote to save town Bunny.

I dislike Celaph EOD. Parking on Bunny and saying Chaqa is a better vote.

I also dislike heart vote. Can easily see him as scum with Chaqa if he has some previous experience on Mafia games elsewhere.

I really dislike these takes as a whole.

Starting with me: Bunny and Chaqa were my two favorite wagons come EoD. I preferred Chaqa because, as I had mentioned earlier, I had okay reasons to justify a town Bunny slot (I thought the way he was generating info was pro-town). That's why I voted for Chaqa with about 30 minutes left. I only switched to voting Bunny with less than a minute left and tied 3 to 3. Of course, I still preferred Chaqa to die. I only switched my vote to avoid a tie. You can absolutely criticize me for not pushing Chaqa more, but you didn't. This feels scummy.

Regarding Damo: Damo either saw my vote or he didn't. If he didn't see my vote then he wasn't trying to tie the vote, he was trying to break a tie. That is a perfectly reasonable thing to do as both town and mafia. And if he did see my vote, then he was trying to tie the vote and he sure is hell isn't town. I think it's quite likely that Damo didn't see my vote, but either way, this line of arguing is rather weak. That said, I will agree that Damo is unlikely scum with Chaqa.

I agree with your assessment that Heart's vote might make sense from an experienced scum player, but my understanding is that Heart isn't particularly experienced. So I don't have a particular problem with this vote.

[celaph]

Don't think there's a great deal to be learned from day 1 voting other than maybe Chaqa was saved?

Maybe flip Chaqa next. Would a give a strong indicator to lfischl's alignment.

I feel like there is a lot more than we can learn from the day.

[celaph]

Guess I'm off of celaph too, especially since that wasn't a maff-diss, but what was that thing with excusing yourself to bunny 18 minutes before EoN? Didn't you have enough time the night before?

I felt dumb for reading Bunny wrong. And I wanted to post something about my thoughts after mismanaging my time. I was close to including ghug along with you and I now wish I did. I would have been more right.

[celaph]

Alright sheeple, I want to hear some thoughts from you:

-) why do you think ghug was targeted? Did you notice anything in particular?

-) who do you think would target ghug N1? There should be better targets around, right?

-) why didn't we have a survey yet? Would there be even a survey that's useful for town?

I'm sure there are more questions that would be great to be answered but right now I can't think of good ones to ask. Everyone feel free to answer them, but I definitely want and need them answered by bo and chaqa and I firmly suggest that worcej and bozo also answer them.

I honestly think ghug was targeted because he was talking. ghug is someone who can both solve the game and generate enough interest within the town to try and implement that plan. Particularly in a game were lack of activity is an immediate town concern, killing off the active players is huge.

[celaph]

my only instinct rn is that Bona is town

@Heart, why do you townread Bona?

[celaph]

hi bona, see my question above.

hi heart...jump on in, the water's fine.

its hard to know where to start. why do you think people are targeting you?

This is a really weird question. Softball. “Hey look at me I’m doing something”

I feel like Heart's thoughts are simple, but not scummy. "I'm talking to Bunny, the top wagon. Let me ask him about that." If you assume he knows nothing about the game state, he sent a decent starting question. Obviously, it would be better if there was more opinions and depth involved, but I don't think his initial question was bad.

[celaph]

On the topic of heart, he answered Bozo's petting question with inherent trust that Bozo had a decent reason for asking and that he could safely answer and figure out the reason later. That feels way more newb town than newb scum to me.

Secondly,

1. if hes active maybe thats why? and he got some votes D1 so scum could be trying to stir confusion by eliminating him... still figuring out the ins and outs of

It's certainly possible that Heart's a great actor and playing up how little he knows. But if he's mafia, then presumably he just spent 24 hours in a discord with two other players explaining their reasoning on who to kill. I do not believe that anyone spends time seriously contemplating their best kill and decides its ghug because he got votes.

Heart is town.

[celaph]

For the people voting Bo, why not Chaqa? Chaqa has sent more messages and his only pro-town action is restarting the bot.

Also, what are people's thoughts on Bunny?

I would support a chaqa wagon, I just want to see bo actually send some messages first

Why would you support a Chaqa wagon?

Also, is this message abobe the message that you were referring to here:

I forget where the post is but Chaqa is probably the person I have the worst feeling about, Bona is probably town but my gut wants me to say he's scum

[celaph]

##vote Bunny

Given the timing of your vote, I'm assuming something Bona said convinced you to vote Bunny. Can you say what it is?

[celaph]

wtf is worcej?

Not sure what to make of the fact that this was Damo's first post when he came back about 6 minutes before EoD. Maybe this is damo being damo, but weird first thought imo. Like why Worcej and not Bo? Or why not worry about the immediate wagons with EoD so soon?

[celaph]

bona - I'm leaning town for bona, though in his mafia game he found day after day people to shove/push for like here bunny. For D1, it looks enough town for me to be fine with it, but if that continues day after day with other people, be very prepared.

I feel like you townread Bona and then only gave reasons to scumread him. Why the townread?

[celaph]

Didn't pet anyone because when I first read it I thought it was a one time ability.

[celaph]

Going to bed soon, current thoughts:

Heart: Town.
Kak: Probably town. I thought his read and changing thoughts around ghug were quite perceptive and mirrored mine. Also, I feel like his EoN thoughts had a healthy amount of fear that I was copying him.
Bozo: Lean town. His activity towards EoD felt like someone interested in solving the game. I also liked his explanation on why he was okay following Bona.
Bo: Lean town. Probably a little recency bias, but his posts today were good.

@chaqa, why lfischl locktown?

[celaph]

I'm probably most sus of lfischl, chaqa, and damo right now. Bona, worcej, and rdr sitting at null.

[damo666]

##vote Chaqa

[worcej]

Alright sheeple, I want to hear some thoughts from you:

-) why do you think ghug was targeted? Did you notice anything in particular?

-) who do you think would target ghug N1? There should be better targets around, right?

-) why didn't we have a survey yet? Would there be even a survey that's useful for town?

I'm sure there are more questions that would be great to be answered but right now I can't think of good ones to ask. Everyone feel free to answer them, but I definitely want and need them answered by bo and chaqa and I firmly suggest that worcej and bozo also answer them.

Since you asked:
1. probably because scum thought he was a PR for some reason? Truthfully this is probably a rare occurrence for ghug as he normally dies much later in games. However, I did not see anything that would lead me to think he suggested or hinted anything that would make him a PR.

2. Quick list: Bona/Damo/Kak are the three players I could see being willing to kill ghug ASAP if any of you got some sort of PR Vibe from him.

3. Because bozo hasn’t made one? Kind of a small game to force the issue for one, but that’s my thought at least.

[Bonatogether]

On the topic of heart, he answered Bozo's petting question with inherent trust that Bozo had a decent reason for asking and that he could safely answer and figure out the reason later. That feels way more newb town than newb scum to me.

Secondly,

1. if hes active maybe thats why? and he got some votes D1 so scum could be trying to stir confusion by eliminating him... still figuring out the ins and outs of

It's certainly possible that Heart's a great actor and playing up how little he knows. But if he's mafia, then presumably he just spent 24 hours in a discord with two other players explaining their reasoning on who to kill. I do not believe that anyone spends time seriously contemplating their best kill and decides its ghug because he got votes.

Heart is town.

agree with this reasoning

[Bonatogether]

Didn't pet anyone because when I first read it I thought it was a one time ability.

im tempted to scumread you lol

[worcej]

i didn't check anyone because i decided not to

Why not?

i decided i didn't need to know who the pr is or isn't

Chad move.