I'm glad you admit God is possible. A large chunk of people in this thread claim "God is impossible" which is still wild to me.aardvarkarmy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:57 pmFluminator wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:56 pmFair enough haha. That's why I don't believe in the infinite spacetime theory in the first place because after an infinite amount of time it would have been destroyed by now.aardvarkarmy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 3:35 pmA more vivid way of showing the utter pointlessness of this argument is:
If we accept the premise that "everything that can possibly happen has happened" then I posit the following must have happened:
There was a god, who was foolish and created artificial intelligence which soon surpassed god's own capabilities, and which 3-D printed a newer, more powerful god, which then murdered the first god before malfunctioning and destroying the AI, then committed suicide, leaving the universe as we now find it, with no god.
If you are truly committed to the notion that "everything that can possibly happen has happened" then you must admit with absolute certainty that this explanation of the universe is true
I believe the second premise, not the first, but the first was to get ahead of the atheists saying I can't assume spacetime had a beginning.
So, here is the crux of the issue -
OF COURSE "it is possible that god exists."
An atheist who grounds their views in evidence-based reason will always acknowledge the possibility of being wrong. Show me proof and I'll sign on.
Because an atheist who grounds their views in evidence-based reason will NEVER assert something as an absolute immovable truth without a damn good foundation of verifiable evidence.
Believers, on the other hand, often attempt to pigeon-hole their views into the vocabulary of evidence-based reason, but it is a definitionally impossible task: "faith" is - by definition - accepting a position without sufficient evidence.
A real believe can NEVER acknowledge that "it is possible that god does not exist", much less acknowledge that the "god of the gaps" in our understanding is shrinking to minuscule proportions.
Because the day a believer accepts that a god is not necessary for understanding anything about our world or about ourselves, that is the day "faith" dies
The definition of faith is more "trust or confidence in someone or something.". There are many times when you can have a reasonable faith. It doesn't have to be blind faith.
I suspect you've never talked to any sort of believer if you think they can never acknowledge or deal with doubt.
Agreed God of the Gaps is bad.