M76 - Dungeons and Dragons - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

Vote Table

Player Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4

Sabi Town Town Scum Damo
Bo Town No Vote Scum rdr
Celaph No vote* Town No Vote** No Vote***
Damo Scum rdr Scum Scum
Pyxxy Town Bo No Vote** Scum
rdr Scum Town No Vote** Scum
Wolfu rdr Town Sabi Sabi

* Crimson Fox
** Hammered
*** Ike

Highlights

Day 1
Bo claims late move to avoid a tie but could be a save
Wolfu switch from wor to rdr when the vote was Bona 4 Worcej 4 doesn't look like a scum move tbf

Day 2
Bo doesn't vote

Day 3
Wolfu doesn't vote Demon

Day 4
Bo and Sabi do not vote Bona

Not quite so certain on Wolfu now.

Between Wolfu Sabi and Bo.

[damo666]

@pyxxy I am assuming you are commuter. Did you ever hardclaim?

Anyone?

[wolfu]

also: i don't think bo avoiding a bona kill yesterday is damning in and of itself, when pyxxy voted bona he was as good as a dead man walking and i would be moderately surprised if teammate bo, who has been barely playing the game, sticks his neck out for bona in that way. it wasn't very likely he'd save bona that way at all.

i could be thinking too complicated when the solution is simple but i doubt it

[wolfu]

@pyxxy I am assuming you are commuter. Did you ever hardclaim?

Anyone?

pyxxy's not the commuter he said he was waiting for the commuter to claim before he counter claimed demon

[rdrivera2005]

@pyxxy I am assuming you are commuter. Did you ever hardclaim?

Anyone?

Damo, this is the type of post that get you miskilled a lot if you are town. Why do you feel the need to ask this question at night?

[damo666]

@pyxxy I am assuming you are commuter. Did you ever hardclaim?

Anyone?

Damo, this is the type of post that get you miskilled a lot if you are town. Why do you feel the need to ask this question at night?

To be misleading? Now they don't know which way to jump do they?

[damo666]

@pyxxy I am assuming you are commuter. Did you ever hardclaim?

Anyone?

pyxxy's not the commuter he said he was waiting for the commuter to claim before he counter claimed demon

What? Try that again.

[damo666]

@pyxxy I am assuming you are commuter. Did you ever hardclaim?

Anyone?

Damo, this is the type of post that get you miskilled a lot if you are town. Why do you feel the need to ask this question at night?

To be misleading? Now they don't know which way to jump do they?

And impatience. Sorry.

[wolfu]

@pyxxy I am assuming you are commuter. Did you ever hardclaim?

Anyone?

pyxxy's not the commuter he said he was waiting for the commuter to claim before he counter claimed demon

What? Try that again.

don't worry about it, we don't need to discuss the commuter any more right now

[damo666]

pyxxy's not the commuter he said he was waiting for the commuter to claim before he counter claimed demon

What? Try that again.

don't worry about it, we don't need to discuss the commuter any more right now

Ok yeah agreed.

[damo666]

That's me for the night I think.

If I get killed choose wisely between Wolfu Sabi and Bo.

[BesharamSabi]

I will entertain Gira tunnel on me.

[wolfu]

I think Bona is a hit

N0 red check on Bona.

Glglgl

I think Bona is a hit

?

N0 red check on Bona.

Glglgl

bona's reaction to sabi outing a scumread on him is very jokey, indifferent. compare that to how aggressive he is toward other players

I think Bona is a hit

You've been on Bona since the beginning of page 2, from my perspctive your read feels more based in something personal rather than anything factual.

Maybe

also notably willing to retreat from the red very easily at the word of confirmed mafia rumi

doesn't really articulate any reason for suspecting bona and moves off after a while to make a vote on damo for fairly bad reasoning ("too shit stirry")

[bo_sox48]

Am I the only one that is dead set on wolfu?

The sudden turn from a decent townread on Bona to a scumread as the night ended, yet not voting him right out of the gate and never wavering on Besharam the whole time, and the dramatic mic drop over thinking he hammered him isn’t enough?

you're very silly

what actually happened, although i guess i didn't really make it explicit, is that damo talking to me convinced me he was town - the way he responded to me and was laying out his thoughts led me to believe he was thinking about the game, and all the arguments bona could give were "lol damo openwolfing" and then he faded from the game thread after that

And instead of considering what other options might be available or how we could spend the remaining hours of the day you tried to hammer?

[wolfu]

Town damo would bring up irl stuff and what not. He rarely gets engaged with the game D1 because he doesn't feel like he has enough info to be useful.

The fact he's this engaged is weird.

i call cap, idt you've even played with town and scum damo??

I have played with wolf damo twice. Next

Bona did someone piss in your cherrios

this is an actually disgusting post

Good.

Any reason why you are behaving differently this game compares to m75

this is an actually disgusting post

Good.

Any reason why you are behaving differently this game compares to m75

it's no longer summer
i have hw

uh i felt it because i have an operating assumption based on experience with mechanically oriented players that they do things like that silly survey but it was not strong because it is day 1 lol. and that sort of generic template i am using slowly gets erased as i get more information to fill in my mental profile of the player


no i don't know damo's alignment dude, i don't have to observe he is acting like how brainbomb described him, do i?

interesting. what have you learned about bozo?

to agree with brainbomb's assessment of his play as each alignment, you necessarily have to know damo's alignment

Bona have you heard about sponging people's reads.

Also you line of questioning is absurd

this is what i mean by "not trying to solve each other's alignment". these interactions are weak. there's slight hints of suspicion between them but no PRESSURE exerted. bona claims sabi is lying about damo but doesn't vote or push them. sabi asks bona why he's playing differently and says his line of questioning is absurd.

despite all of this, does sabi out a scumread on bona? no. they stay off bona at the deadline and vote bozo instead despite bona being a viable wagon. this is scum distancing. similar to how bona wouldn't actually commit to pushing demon. bona gives weak responses to sabi and sabi doesn't follow up to them, because there was never any curiosity in the first place

[bo_sox48]

i realistically have NO idea how you could get the idea that i am mafia when bona and demon tried to tag team bury me on day 2

that's not a thing that mafia teammates do, ever

I've seen it before. Neither of them stuck on you; in fact, RHK killed your wagon by voting for a sub who had done pretty much nothing in a rather uneventful and very fake way.

If any one of you tells me that "Dayvig shooting a PR' is a towny point of view I will switch my vote to SwingTheSubs, and dip until D3, if I don't get DKd on NKd by that point.

It's pretty normal pov.

Mafia dayvig either target pr or town leaders

Who else would a dayvig target?

Cool

coolcoolcoolcool

##Vote RagingIke

I hope whichever one it is takes the rest of ya to KILO for the heartbreak

You disagreed with RHK moving his vote off of you.

If any one of you tells me that "Dayvig shooting a PR' is a towny point of view I will switch my vote to SwingTheSubs, and dip until D3, if I don't get DKd on NKd by that point.

It's pretty normal pov.

Mafia dayvig either target pr or town leaders

Who else would a dayvig target?

that's not his argument wtf are you doing

[wolfu]

Am I the only one that is dead set on wolfu?

The sudden turn from a decent townread on Bona to a scumread as the night ended, yet not voting him right out of the gate and never wavering on Besharam the whole time, and the dramatic mic drop over thinking he hammered him isn’t enough?

you're very silly

what actually happened, although i guess i didn't really make it explicit, is that damo talking to me convinced me he was town - the way he responded to me and was laying out his thoughts led me to believe he was thinking about the game, and all the arguments bona could give were "lol damo openwolfing" and then he faded from the game thread after that

And instead of considering what other options might be available or how we could spend the remaining hours of the day you tried to hammer?

...yes?

because i was starting to find bona suspicious and his responses to me were absolutely terrible. he was being aggravating and snarky, trying to nitpick my arguments more than anything else.

it didn't look to me like a town motivated response - compare him and damo. damo was orderly and entertained the possibility if i was town, warned me voting him was a bad idea if i am town, and was laying out his suspicions, giving reasoning for his reads, and laying out what he thought the solve was if he was the daykill. by contrast bona was just being pointlessly aggressive and trying to pick apart my arguments rather than actually find scum - i observed similar behavior from mafia in a game i just finished.

of course there was a fair bit of emotion involved because i was pissed that bona was willfully playing dumb with his answers and shading me so that i was willing to kill him if he was town. but independent of that he did not give meany reason to believe he should live

[wolfu]

i realistically have NO idea how you could get the idea that i am mafia when bona and demon tried to tag team bury me on day 2

that's not a thing that mafia teammates do, ever

I've seen it before. Neither of them stuck on you; in fact, RHK killed your wagon by voting for a sub who had done pretty much nothing in a rather uneventful and very fake way.

It's pretty normal pov.

Mafia dayvig either target pr or town leaders

Who else would a dayvig target?

Cool

coolcoolcoolcool

##Vote RagingIke

I hope whichever one it is takes the rest of ya to KILO for the heartbreak

You disagreed with RHK moving his vote off of you.

It's pretty normal pov.

Mafia dayvig either target pr or town leaders

Who else would a dayvig target?

that's not his argument wtf are you doing

thank you for highlighting another post of sabi distancing from RHK by disagreeing with some argument he made but never actually taking a meaningful stance



again, if you want to suspect distancing, that's fair play but i think you're not really considering the likelihood of that being the case, you're starting from the assumption i must be scum and biasing your view of previous events to do so


so if you're considering that, you have to ask yourself: why did demonrhk move his vote off me at all? i wasn't ever in danger of being the daykill so he could just as soon stay on me for cred if we were mafia together

if the plan was for them to bus me for the cred why would they not just keep doing that? why have demon fakeclaim at all (because he's the barbarian? idgi)


again, you want to look at our interactions and think it could be scum theater, you're free to do so

but you have to tell me: is them piling on me with their votes REALLY more likely than them distancing with sabi?

because it doesn't feel like you're really equally weighing the options here, you just looked at me and decided i'm scum based on preexisting biases

[bo_sox48]

i think sabi asking to vote first on demon was performative, neon was clearly being stubborn by refusing to unvote and sabi only posted once or twice, it wasn't like they were fightig likehell with neon to do it - and then they voted demon anyway to enable the hammer. so i don't think that is clearing

I still need to re-read Sabi, but right now I still stick with the obvious. Bo give the chance for Demon to hammer and was tryng to avoid a Bona kill yesterday. He also avoided voting Bona D1 tryng to jump on my wagon. Please don't give him a pass to him if I am not around tomorrow.

Is not voting for a scumread bad? I did not scumread Bona on D1 - and said so - and yesterday I was asking for clarification on a fair question that nobody ever provided, acknowledging the entire time that there was plenty of reason to believe he could be mafia if that question could be answered. You were the only one that even acknowledged the question. You said you couldn't answer it and acknowledged that it was fair to wonder. Beyond that there was no point in digging further to try and answer it myself considering the entire Bona wagon was unmoving and the four of you would overrule anything the remainder of us did since I wasn't going to cause a tie. You can figure out all of this yourself, and seemed to have figured it out during the day yesterday, instead of wanting to "stick with the obvious" that is not obvious at all.

If you actually know how I play mafia you know I'm not so much of a coward to refrain from bussing a teammate under pressure for the entire game at all. That's easy towncred all game long. I'd have been so thrilled to hammer him as a teammate.

Why would I, as a teammate of Rumi's, Demon's, and Bona's in your eyes, stick my neck out when I'm under zero pressure at all (and, knowing what we do now, the clear deep threat on the team) and claim not to know the mechanics surrounding a role to give the vengeful one kill? Do you really think I'm that stupid? Is it that hard to believe that someone who didn't have time to play also didn't have time to read the setup to know all the intricacies of it simply voted for someone who was obviously fake claiming? You claim it is obvious that I'm better than that, but you also suppose that I'm the dumbest player on the planet at the same time. It's contradictory.

[bo_sox48]

@pyxxy I am assuming you are commuter. Did you ever hardclaim?

Anyone?

Damo, this is the type of post that get you miskilled a lot if you are town. Why do you feel the need to ask this question at night?

It's a fair question at this juncture.