MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

Rivera couldn't have killed Eden

Gonna need to show your work here

[Chaqa]

Rivera couldn't have killed Eden

Gonna need to show your work here

We know Rivera had 2-vote post night 3

Eden died with James Gordon tag, which must have come from his killer.

Unless rivera was driven prior to killing Eden, he couldn't have done it.

Not 100%. Still filling in the spreadsheet

[ghug]

Rivera couldn't have killed Eden

Gonna need to show your work here

We know Rivera had 2-vote post night 3

Eden died with James Gordon tag, which must have come from his killer.

Unless rivera was driven prior to killing Eden, he couldn't have done it.

Not 100%. Still filling in the spreadsheet

Yeah they'd definitely drive him if that were what was happening.

[ghug]

So my important discovery was that you can't spell rdrivera without "driver".

[Chaqa]

I'm guessing that unless rivera has the Oracle, we won't hear back about his peek til tomorrow?

[ghug]

I'm guessing that unless rivera has the Oracle, we won't hear back about his peek til tomorrow?

Maybe, I'm unsure what to do there..

I'm wondering if our assumption that mafia would want to move the vote modifiers around is inaccurate. They don't want a paper trail.

[Chaqa]

I'm guessing that unless rivera has the Oracle, we won't hear back about his peek til tomorrow?

Maybe, I'm unsure what to do there..

I'm wondering if our assumption that mafia would want to move the vote modifiers around is inaccurate. They don't want a paper trail.

I was just thinking about this. Bona had the 0-vote tag on Day 3. On Night 3 he protected Eden. If he wasn't bussed, Eden had the 0-vote on Day 4, which would fit the vote count.

This means that today, the 0-vote is possibly in mafia hands if Eden wasn't bussed.

[ghug]

I don't think this is solvable mechanically, unfortunately. There are at least two drives that we have no info on.

[Chaqa]

I don't think this is solvable mechanically, unfortunately. There are at least two drives that we have no info on.

At this time, I don't think so. I can make lots of small assumptions, but the big one is the knowledge of Jamie's tag he took from you. I am currently thinking you may have had the 2-vote on Days 1 and 2 and he had it for Day 3. On Night 3 it went wherever he scanned - rivera would make sense as a scan target and it would explain how he got the 2-vote.

We know mafia spent N2 or N3 putting the bomb on Hamilton. Not sure which night.

I suspect mafia bussed it off of him last night.

[Chaqa]

I don't think this is solvable mechanically, unfortunately. There are at least two drives that we have no info on.

At this time, I don't think so. I can make lots of small assumptions, but the big one is the knowledge of Jamie's tag he took from you. I am currently thinking you may have had the 2-vote on Days 1 and 2 and he had it for Day 3. On Night 3 it went wherever he scanned - rivera would make sense as a scan target and it would explain how he got the 2-vote.

We know mafia spent N2 or N3 putting the bomb on Hamilton. Not sure which night.

I suspect mafia bussed it off of him last night.

Sorry, the final sentence links to the paragraph about rivera and the 2V, not Hamilton.

[ghug]

I don't think this is solvable mechanically, unfortunately. There are at least two drives that we have no info on.

At this time, I don't think so. I can make lots of small assumptions, but the big one is the knowledge of Jamie's tag he took from you. I am currently thinking you may have had the 2-vote on Days 1 and 2 and he had it for Day 3. On Night 3 it went wherever he scanned - rivera would make sense as a scan target and it would explain how he got the 2-vote.

We know mafia spent N2 or N3 putting the bomb on Hamilton. Not sure which night.

I suspect mafia bussed it off of him last night.

It being the 2 vote tag?

And yeah I'm thinking the same with regards to how it got to rd. There's just no information on who was bussed N3 and N4, and the you/Rumi/Bo snapshots all came at different times so there's not much tracking we can do that narrows down among that pool.

I'm thinking we should probably make rd claim his peek now just to be surer that we aren't getting celaph wrong, but all signs point to celaph being the liar there.

[bo_sox48]

Did he explicitly say he wasn’t going to share his tag?

[ghug]

Did he explicitly say he wasn’t going to share his tag?

No

[ghug]

Claiming before EoN is just so much more believable than claiming after.

[rdrivera2005]

I'm guessing that unless rivera has the Oracle, we won't hear back about his peek til tomorrow?

I am waiting Demon. Will check my messages from time to time.

Can do much tonight, can't even drink because I donated blood today (and no, it have nothing to do with being Bleeder, lol).

[Chaqa]

I'm guessing that unless rivera has the Oracle, we won't hear back about his peek til tomorrow?

I am waiting Demon. Will check my messages from time to time.

Can do much tonight, can't even drink because I donated blood today (and no, it have nothing to do with being Bleeder, lol).

See me, I would claim I donated blood to prove my role even if it wasn't true. haha

[Chaqa]

Anyway, I've got about as filled out of a spreadsheet as I'm bound to get, but I'm feeling pretty good to ##Vote celaph

[Bonatogether]

celaph ISO
part 2
penses

by bonatogether

I think I'm ok with snowy winning at this point, though I will miss him dearly.

Rd is fine enough but seems kinda lazy. Sabi's response to snowy outing was awful.

I have a hard time separating anti-town Sabi into scummy versus just very biased. They've had a number of bad takes on Worcej and I think Neon is lean town for earlier today, I think she's far from obvtown.

That said, I do agree that the response to Snowy outing feels more like scummy Sabi reacting from previously reached positions.

a read on neon! incredible. but when we go back to the main subject of the discussion, we again only get a 'feels like a scummy sabi' and not an actual 'i scumlean/read sabi'

I don't like this sentiment about the deathbomb nametag being something that we have to force out. It feels like the time that scum ghug pushed me out because of fears of the 3P alien winning. Yes, we may lose a towny if the scum successfully deploy the bomb later. That said, if snowy is town we also lose a town now just to get rid of the bomb.

tl;dr only vote Snowy if you honestly think that he is scum. Voting purely to get the bomb out is anti-town.

at this time snowy and sabi were tied at 5-5. people thought snowy had the bomb and some people (i remember saying this, definitely others though) wanted to remove the bomb, so this line of argument pushes against a snowy wagon. incidentally, celaph (also rdr) would both jump onto sabi within minutes

Sabi isn't the best counter wagon here, but I feel like snowy has been townier over the past day by a long shot. Still up to speedwagon rdr, but ##vote Sabi

making explicit the pro-snowy, not anti-sabi, nature of his vote

Bo you probably didn't get to read this post at D2 -00:15 before EOD
ghug you have no excuse, I made it clear ahead of time that I wanted Deathbomb gone and Sabi dying was cool so long as it was collateral damage from Snowy dying

If anything I switched too late and the momentum of the meme pick won easily. Go yell at Eden and Chaqa for that.

Just because you said it earlier doesn't make this perspective not anti-town. At worst, deathbomb kills one town. Killing someone you think is town to get rid of the deathbomb is trading down.

is this a s cumslip? but this time it's questionable if it's ironic

##vote Snowy ##end

We don't need a second wagon to confirm that Snowy has the deathbomb, we can always just read his name tag once it flips. Though I'm not complaining about HB as a second wagon.

wat
i feel like this is inconsistent with the post i just quoted but not totally - is this not voting to remove the deathbomb?

Ok. I think you reached your conclusion first and now you're confbiasing anything that appears to support your view rather than actually examining the evidence with an open mind, but, ok.

I feel like you’re being put off by Bona’s delivery more so than his content here. Yes, I agree that her confusion mid-D2 about her tag felt incredibly towny, but it’s also the only thing I find towny about the slot since, perhaps, her early D1 Rumi comments. How can you have someone so towny when almost nothing they’ve done all game feels that way?

valid read but then also zero push on neon despite her doing two townie things in 72 hours

he calls me town and cites reasons which is nice but also like, i was super early on snobyz and neon so that's not exactly a hard read

Reviewing rdr's contributions from N2-now I don't feel a desire to solve the game, but rather an obligation to keep playing.

When he went back to review the D1 votes, he purely gave points based on where they ended up with no additional analysis. Particularly egregious when he makes no attempt to read anything from Vecna from his votes.

I think Snowy played really well getting a miskill D2.

Looking D1 votes close to EOD, Chaqa get some town points for putting Byz tied with Damo.

Worcej get some scum points for putting Damo tied with Byz again when Damo wagon was losing momentum.

Rumi gets more town points for his vote.

If Ghug wasn't clear I would be pushing him to death.

And Vecna get a big question mark.

When Eden called out rdr's earlier avoidance of reading him, he entirely ignored Eden's primary concern and just responded to the other part

this post is really sticking in my craw. getting it wrong on Byz is one thing, but I have never seen rdrivera demur on reading me. it just screams “I’m going to back my guy, but not commit to a position I might need to walk back later” to me.

If I was scum with Byz I would have bussed him hard. Go find a game where I openly defend a scumpartner.

Anyway, don't worry with me, go find the other 3 scum...

When making comments about his wagon, he resorted to a blanket celaph/worcej are getting scummier. There is no analysis here, no attempt to post anything besides the minimum of what's tolerable.

Worcej is going down fast on my townreads. His willingness to park a vote on me when I was the counter to Snowy also makes me suspect him. Same is valid for Celaph but I don't think both are scum, probably just one.

And he showed little interest in his votes today such that it feels like he is entirely just going through the motions.


Nothing recent I see from rdr feels towny. There is no desire to solve the game. The only thing that gives me pause is that while I expect town rdr to be doing much better than this I also expect scum rdr to be doing better. Perhaps we just have the scum team dead to rights (rdr, HB, Vecna perhaps?), but it also makes me worry that something out of game is interfering with play.

this man criticizes rdr for no analysis but then just caps this shit off with 'nothing i see feels townie and i can't think of why he would do this as his alignment' which is frankly just lazy

On reread I still can’t find anything towny in Princess Neon despite their apparent mid-D2 confusion. Bo and Bona have highlighted a lot of her scummines.

As for HB:
big snip here

##vote HB
I don’t get the sense that HB trying to sort people even with the limited amount of information he has. I also get the consistent vibe that he is talking to town instead of as one of town.

copycatting my readspost smh
he still agrees with some of what HB says and some soft defending ("I find it notable that you called us wrong in this way. If you were finding the push on you scummy, you’d have surely called that out instead of just saying that people were wrong." - also saying 'us' here implicitly puts celaph in the group of town)

he does some defending me from vecna, which is entirely net-gain for him. if vecna flips, he can say he was just a misguided towny, if i flip he can 'yall should have listened to me'. he still doesn't actually call me town, just 'incredibly natural'

he has a big wallpost on rdr debunking various claims n shit he made, but still doesn't make a read




that's probably wildly long but in short:
celaph does NOT make reads in connection with active discussion
celaph VERY infrequently has conversation with other players
celaph IS scum

[Bonatogether]

@celaph why don't you make readslists

[ghug]

@celaph, @rd, I need you both to either consent to hammering yourself if we decide you're the one to kill or explain why that is a bad idea.