MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[worcej]

Fuck it, I am not waiting. We cannot know for sure if N2 is when scum lifted the zero off me, but let’s assume it is for this hypothetical situation.

We know that we had 9 people on snowy, so either the +2 and non-vote had to be on the BD on snowy or they were both not being voted.

We can quickly solve the non-votes, it had to be a combination of rdr, Vecna, and myself. If true, this leaves rdr as the bus driver as the only option.

If we go the route of the vote modifiers in the wagon, that requires the a switch like this:
Someone -> worcej -> BD -> someone
Worcej -> someone -> BD -> worcej

The BD in this case must be someone in Chaqa, celaph, Bona, Eden and Rumi.

[President Eden]

Well, let’s live in information that scum already know: they clearly took Sabi seriously when they claimed the bomb, which in hindsight was stupid of Sabi to shout out on N1.

Sabi -> Neon -> Driver -> Sabi is now the most likely order of operations.

No, it’s the opposite. Remember that Neon claimed flowers D2. No one cc’d, so unless Neon made a wild fakeclaim that happened to work out (teammate had to have actually gotten flowers), then we know the claim is true and Dargo visited Sabi after the Bus Driver made their play. Dargo would have ended up with the bomb… which means mafia had to get lucky and guess Dargo was visiting Sabi to get the bomb back.

Possible? Sure. More likely than just ordering Neon -> Sabi -> Driver and tucking the bomb away for later? I say no

[worcej]

Sorry - failure in my analysis. Someone must be celaph, vecna, or ghug. This eliminates celaph as the BD.

[Chaqa]

Fuck it, I am not waiting. We cannot know for sure if N2 is when scum lifted the zero off me, but let’s assume it is for this hypothetical situation.

We know that we had 9 people on snowy, so either the +2 and non-vote had to be on the BD on snowy or they were both not being voted.

We can quickly solve the non-votes, it had to be a combination of rdr, Vecna, and myself. If true, this leaves rdr as the bus driver as the only option.

If we go the route of the vote modifiers in the wagon, that requires the a switch like this:
Someone -> worcej -> BD -> someone
Worcej -> someone -> BD -> worcej

The BD in this case must be someone in Chaqa, celaph, Bona, Eden and Rumi.

I think the tag got taken on N3 since Rivera couldn't have had it on D3.

[Chaqa]

Fuck it, I am not waiting. We cannot know for sure if N2 is when scum lifted the zero off me, but let’s assume it is for this hypothetical situation.

We know that we had 9 people on snowy, so either the +2 and non-vote had to be on the BD on snowy or they were both not being voted.

We can quickly solve the non-votes, it had to be a combination of rdr, Vecna, and myself. If true, this leaves rdr as the bus driver as the only option.

If we go the route of the vote modifiers in the wagon, that requires the a switch like this:
Someone -> worcej -> BD -> someone
Worcej -> someone -> BD -> worcej

The BD in this case must be someone in Chaqa, celaph, Bona, Eden and Rumi.

I think the tag got taken on N3 since Rivera couldn't have had it on D3.

*this is about the 2-vote tag, but I also think your tag was taken that day.

[ghug]

Fuck it, I am not waiting. We cannot know for sure if N2 is when scum lifted the zero off me, but let’s assume it is for this hypothetical situation.

We know that we had 9 people on snowy, so either the +2 and non-vote had to be on the BD on snowy or they were both not being voted.

We can quickly solve the non-votes, it had to be a combination of rdr, Vecna, and myself. If true, this leaves rdr as the bus driver as the only option.

If we go the route of the vote modifiers in the wagon, that requires the a switch like this:
Someone -> worcej -> BD -> someone
Worcej -> someone -> BD -> worcej

The BD in this case must be someone in Chaqa, celaph, Bona, Eden and Rumi.

Why is this true in the bolded case?

[worcej]

Well, let’s live in information that scum already know: they clearly took Sabi seriously when they claimed the bomb, which in hindsight was stupid of Sabi to shout out on N1.

Sabi -> Neon -> Driver -> Sabi is now the most likely order of operations.

No, it’s the opposite. Remember that Neon claimed flowers D2. No one cc’d, so unless Neon made a wild fakeclaim that happened to work out (teammate had to have actually gotten flowers), then we know the claim is true and Dargo visited Sabi after the Bus Driver made their play. Dargo would have ended up with the bomb… which means mafia had to get lucky and guess Dargo was visiting Sabi to get the bomb back.

Possible? Sure. More likely than just ordering Neon -> Sabi -> Driver and tucking the bomb away for later? I say no

Neon was scum - throw any claim she made in the fucking dumpster

[worcej]

Darg might have not done anything with the flowers.

[ghug]

Well, let’s live in information that scum already know: they clearly took Sabi seriously when they claimed the bomb, which in hindsight was stupid of Sabi to shout out on N1.

Sabi -> Neon -> Driver -> Sabi is now the most likely order of operations.

No, it’s the opposite. Remember that Neon claimed flowers D2. No one cc’d, so unless Neon made a wild fakeclaim that happened to work out (teammate had to have actually gotten flowers), then we know the claim is true and Dargo visited Sabi after the Bus Driver made their play. Dargo would have ended up with the bomb… which means mafia had to get lucky and guess Dargo was visiting Sabi to get the bomb back.

Possible? Sure. More likely than just ordering Neon -> Sabi -> Driver and tucking the bomb away for later? I say no

I thought this at first, but Darg actually flipped with the tag of whoever performed the kill, and the killer got his tag, which could have feasibly been the bomb.

[ghug]

Darg might have not done anything with the flowers.

I highly doubt Neon fakeclaims the flowers on that chance.

[worcej]

Fuck it, I am not waiting. We cannot know for sure if N2 is when scum lifted the zero off me, but let’s assume it is for this hypothetical situation.

We know that we had 9 people on snowy, so either the +2 and non-vote had to be on the BD on snowy or they were both not being voted.

We can quickly solve the non-votes, it had to be a combination of rdr, Vecna, and myself. If true, this leaves rdr as the bus driver as the only option.

If we go the route of the vote modifiers in the wagon, that requires the a switch like this:
Someone -> worcej -> BD -> someone
Worcej -> someone -> BD -> worcej

The BD in this case must be someone in Chaqa, celaph, Bona, Eden and Rumi.

Why is this true in the bolded case?

I initially got it wrong. The double vote was for sure amongst you, celaph, or Vecna on N2

[worcej]

Darg might have not done anything with the flowers.

I highly doubt Neon fakeclaims the flowers on that chance.

Which is fine, because Darg probably wanted to lift the bomb off Sabi

[President Eden]

Well, let’s live in information that scum already know: they clearly took Sabi seriously when they claimed the bomb, which in hindsight was stupid of Sabi to shout out on N1.

Sabi -> Neon -> Driver -> Sabi is now the most likely order of operations.

No, it’s the opposite. Remember that Neon claimed flowers D2. No one cc’d, so unless Neon made a wild fakeclaim that happened to work out (teammate had to have actually gotten flowers), then we know the claim is true and Dargo visited Sabi after the Bus Driver made their play. Dargo would have ended up with the bomb… which means mafia had to get lucky and guess Dargo was visiting Sabi to get the bomb back.

Possible? Sure. More likely than just ordering Neon -> Sabi -> Driver and tucking the bomb away for later? I say no

Neon was scum - throw any claim she made in the fucking dumpster

It’s not that simple. SOMEONE received flowers N1. It’s a compulsory role. The only person killed N1—and thus potentially unable to counterclaim receipt of flowers—was the Florist, the only person who could not have received flowers. If Neon lied, someone was alive with the knowledge to call her out. No one did. That someone could have been a teammate who covered for her by staying quiet, but there’s an obvious incentive for Dargo to have visited Sabi (which would redirect to Neon). Thus I see no reason to doubt Neon’s flower claim, despite her being mafia.

[ghug]

Fuck it, I am not waiting. We cannot know for sure if N2 is when scum lifted the zero off me, but let’s assume it is for this hypothetical situation.

We know that we had 9 people on snowy, so either the +2 and non-vote had to be on the BD on snowy or they were both not being voted.

We can quickly solve the non-votes, it had to be a combination of rdr, Vecna, and myself. If true, this leaves rdr as the bus driver as the only option.

If we go the route of the vote modifiers in the wagon, that requires the a switch like this:
Someone -> worcej -> BD -> someone
Worcej -> someone -> BD -> worcej

The BD in this case must be someone in Chaqa, celaph, Bona, Eden and Rumi.

Why is this true in the bolded case?

I initially got it wrong. The double vote was for sure amongst you, celaph, or Vecna on N2

It has to have been me or celaph. Vecna had his death tag when he peeked D2.

[worcej]

No, it’s the opposite. Remember that Neon claimed flowers D2. No one cc’d, so unless Neon made a wild fakeclaim that happened to work out (teammate had to have actually gotten flowers), then we know the claim is true and Dargo visited Sabi after the Bus Driver made their play. Dargo would have ended up with the bomb… which means mafia had to get lucky and guess Dargo was visiting Sabi to get the bomb back.

Possible? Sure. More likely than just ordering Neon -> Sabi -> Driver and tucking the bomb away for later? I say no

Neon was scum - throw any claim she made in the fucking dumpster

It’s not that simple. SOMEONE received flowers N1. It’s a compulsory role. The only person killed N1—and thus potentially unable to counterclaim receipt of flowers—was the Florist, the only person who could not have received flowers. If Neon lied, someone was alive with the knowledge to call her out. No one did. That someone could have been a teammate who covered for her by staying quiet, but there’s an obvious incentive for Dargo to have visited Sabi (which would redirect to Neon). Thus I see no reason to doubt Neon’s flower claim, despite her being mafia.

That’s fine - see ghug’s comments though

[President Eden]

Well, let’s live in information that scum already know: they clearly took Sabi seriously when they claimed the bomb, which in hindsight was stupid of Sabi to shout out on N1.

Sabi -> Neon -> Driver -> Sabi is now the most likely order of operations.

No, it’s the opposite. Remember that Neon claimed flowers D2. No one cc’d, so unless Neon made a wild fakeclaim that happened to work out (teammate had to have actually gotten flowers), then we know the claim is true and Dargo visited Sabi after the Bus Driver made their play. Dargo would have ended up with the bomb… which means mafia had to get lucky and guess Dargo was visiting Sabi to get the bomb back.

Possible? Sure. More likely than just ordering Neon -> Sabi -> Driver and tucking the bomb away for later? I say no

I thought this at first, but Darg actually flipped with the tag of whoever performed the kill, and the killer got his tag, which could have feasibly been the bomb.

Yes, but knowing that Sabi would likely be targeted by any townie with tag switching abilities just to stop the bomb, if you’re mafia trying to steal the bomb, why would you order in such a way as to need to guess right to get it back, when you don’t have to?

[worcej]

Why is this true in the bolded case?

I initially got it wrong. The double vote was for sure amongst you, celaph, or Vecna on N2

It has to have been me or celaph. Vecna had his death tag when he peeked D2.

Which eliminates celaph from being the BD

[ghug]

Darg might have not done anything with the flowers.

I highly doubt Neon fakeclaims the flowers on that chance.

Which is fine, because Darg probably wanted to lift the bomb off Sabi

Right, so we can reasonably trust that claim (and Brian's peek claim, since there's not enough value in it to risk getting caught lying).

[worcej]

In my hypothetical case

[worcej]

Fuck it, I am not waiting. We cannot know for sure if N2 is when scum lifted the zero off me, but let’s assume it is for this hypothetical situation.

We know that we had 9 people on snowy, so either the +2 and non-vote had to be on the BD on snowy or they were both not being voted.

We can quickly solve the non-votes, it had to be a combination of rdr, Vecna, and myself. If true, this leaves rdr as the bus driver as the only option.

If we go the route of the vote modifiers in the wagon, that requires the a switch like this:
Someone -> worcej -> BD -> someone
Worcej -> someone -> BD -> worcej

The BD in this case must be someone in Chaqa, celaph, Bona, Eden and Rumi.

I think the tag got taken on N3 since Rivera couldn't have had it on D3.

*this is about the 2-vote tag, but I also think your tag was taken that day.

The only option for rdr to have it is if he was the BD.