MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[Rumi Tobari]

The current impression is that if worsej still has the vote0, he's town, but if he doesn't, it means he's scum and scum put it onto another townie. I think that's what Eden's going for at least?

Why would that mean Worcej is scum if he doesn't have the 0vote?

I think the argument being used was that if worcej was town, the scumteam would have left the vote0 on him, but he was scum, the rest of the scumteam would have bussed it off of him and put it on another townie.

Like I was literally trying to say in the paragraph you quoted.

[rdrivera2005]

It is really hard to work anything definitive out about the double voter without knowing who the Doctor is and what they did, but we aren’t pressed hard enough to warrant outing that right now. It’s worth noting that we could be at KILO tomorrow; although it would be 6-3 (assuming a miss today and no doc save tonight), the mafia could have the double voter and the town could have the no voter, making it 5-4 in practice. For this reason, I think everyone who has not peeked yet should peek as close to EON4 as you can afford, and everyone should out their info D5 unless I say otherwise below. Ideally you should peek right at xx:59 so that if you’re a PR and accidentally Oracle yourself, the mafia won’t know it and be able to act. (Sorry if this makes a mess for you Demon!) Our Doctor should probably also out EON4 with info. The Bleeder is self-confirming and survives a nightkill, so doesn’t need to out until D5.

The big thing that we need to ensure in the meantime is that nobody fucks up worcej’s vanity wagon. Like, messing with it is a scumclaim kind of “nobody fucks with worcej’s vanity wagon.” worcej still having the no-vote would essentially town clear him, and worcej having a vote would at least be interesting if nothing else… wouldn’t damn him per se, but would require some investigation. We don’t need to vote worcej out here because his situation is so close to self-sorting, so anybody attempting to interfere with that should be presumed to have bad intentions and dealt with accordingly. DO NOT FUCK THIS UP.

Contrary to Chaqa’s earlier conclusion, I’m not sure that Vecna needs to vanity wagon here, or that anyone else does. I’m open to being overridden on this if anyone can think of a good reason, though.

Why peek closer to EON instead of peeking right now so maybe we have more info today? I can see it being valid for Doc, cause of Oracle, but for other players I don't see much gain on peeking EON instead of peeking right now.

[President Eden]

It is really hard to work anything definitive out about the double voter without knowing who the Doctor is and what they did, but we aren’t pressed hard enough to warrant outing that right now. It’s worth noting that we could be at KILO tomorrow; although it would be 6-3 (assuming a miss today and no doc save tonight), the mafia could have the double voter and the town could have the no voter, making it 5-4 in practice. For this reason, I think everyone who has not peeked yet should peek as close to EON4 as you can afford, and everyone should out their info D5 unless I say otherwise below. Ideally you should peek right at xx:59 so that if you’re a PR and accidentally Oracle yourself, the mafia won’t know it and be able to act. (Sorry if this makes a mess for you Demon!) Our Doctor should probably also out EON4 with info. The Bleeder is self-confirming and survives a nightkill, so doesn’t need to out until D5.

The big thing that we need to ensure in the meantime is that nobody fucks up worcej’s vanity wagon. Like, messing with it is a scumclaim kind of “nobody fucks with worcej’s vanity wagon.” worcej still having the no-vote would essentially town clear him, and worcej having a vote would at least be interesting if nothing else… wouldn’t damn him per se, but would require some investigation. We don’t need to vote worcej out here because his situation is so close to self-sorting, so anybody attempting to interfere with that should be presumed to have bad intentions and dealt with accordingly. DO NOT FUCK THIS UP.

Contrary to Chaqa’s earlier conclusion, I’m not sure that Vecna needs to vanity wagon here, or that anyone else does. I’m open to being overridden on this if anyone can think of a good reason, though.

Why peek closer to EON instead of peeking right now so maybe we have more info today? I can see it being valid for Doc, cause of Oracle, but for other players I don't see much gain on peeking EON instead of peeking right now.

You know I think you’re right here

Maybe the Bleeder holds off too, but yes if you aren’t a town PR you probably should peek now

[Rumi Tobari]

It is really hard to work anything definitive out about the double voter without knowing who the Doctor is and what they did, but we aren’t pressed hard enough to warrant outing that right now. It’s worth noting that we could be at KILO tomorrow; although it would be 6-3 (assuming a miss today and no doc save tonight), the mafia could have the double voter and the town could have the no voter, making it 5-4 in practice. For this reason, I think everyone who has not peeked yet should peek as close to EON4 as you can afford, and everyone should out their info D5 unless I say otherwise below. Ideally you should peek right at xx:59 so that if you’re a PR and accidentally Oracle yourself, the mafia won’t know it and be able to act. (Sorry if this makes a mess for you Demon!) Our Doctor should probably also out EON4 with info. The Bleeder is self-confirming and survives a nightkill, so doesn’t need to out until D5.

The big thing that we need to ensure in the meantime is that nobody fucks up worcej’s vanity wagon. Like, messing with it is a scumclaim kind of “nobody fucks with worcej’s vanity wagon.” worcej still having the no-vote would essentially town clear him, and worcej having a vote would at least be interesting if nothing else… wouldn’t damn him per se, but would require some investigation. We don’t need to vote worcej out here because his situation is so close to self-sorting, so anybody attempting to interfere with that should be presumed to have bad intentions and dealt with accordingly. DO NOT FUCK THIS UP.

Contrary to Chaqa’s earlier conclusion, I’m not sure that Vecna needs to vanity wagon here, or that anyone else does. I’m open to being overridden on this if anyone can think of a good reason, though.

Why peek closer to EON instead of peeking right now so maybe we have more info today? I can see it being valid for Doc, cause of Oracle, but for other players I don't see much gain on peeking EON instead of peeking right now.

You know I think you’re right here

Maybe the Bleeder holds off too, but yes if you aren’t a town PR you probably should peek now

I have a question. Wouldn't that just tell the scumteam who the town PRs aren't?

[rdrivera2005]

It is really hard to work anything definitive out about the double voter without knowing who the Doctor is and what they did, but we aren’t pressed hard enough to warrant outing that right now. It’s worth noting that we could be at KILO tomorrow; although it would be 6-3 (assuming a miss today and no doc save tonight), the mafia could have the double voter and the town could have the no voter, making it 5-4 in practice. For this reason, I think everyone who has not peeked yet should peek as close to EON4 as you can afford, and everyone should out their info D5 unless I say otherwise below. Ideally you should peek right at xx:59 so that if you’re a PR and accidentally Oracle yourself, the mafia won’t know it and be able to act. (Sorry if this makes a mess for you Demon!) Our Doctor should probably also out EON4 with info. The Bleeder is self-confirming and survives a nightkill, so doesn’t need to out until D5.

The big thing that we need to ensure in the meantime is that nobody fucks up worcej’s vanity wagon. Like, messing with it is a scumclaim kind of “nobody fucks with worcej’s vanity wagon.” worcej still having the no-vote would essentially town clear him, and worcej having a vote would at least be interesting if nothing else… wouldn’t damn him per se, but would require some investigation. We don’t need to vote worcej out here because his situation is so close to self-sorting, so anybody attempting to interfere with that should be presumed to have bad intentions and dealt with accordingly. DO NOT FUCK THIS UP.

Contrary to Chaqa’s earlier conclusion, I’m not sure that Vecna needs to vanity wagon here, or that anyone else does. I’m open to being overridden on this if anyone can think of a good reason, though.

Why peek closer to EON instead of peeking right now so maybe we have more info today? I can see it being valid for Doc, cause of Oracle, but for other players I don't see much gain on peeking EON instead of peeking right now.

You know I think you’re right here

Maybe the Bleeder holds off too, but yes if you aren’t a town PR you probably should peek now

Well, this answer why we should peak at EON, otherwise we will expose town PRs lol

[President Eden]

Oh yea nvm don’t do that LOL

That was why wait

[rdrivera2005]

Why peek closer to EON instead of peeking right now so maybe we have more info today? I can see it being valid for Doc, cause of Oracle, but for other players I don't see much gain on peeking EON instead of peeking right now.

You know I think you’re right here

Maybe the Bleeder holds off too, but yes if you aren’t a town PR you probably should peek now

I have a question. Wouldn't that just tell the scumteam who the town PRs aren't?

Yep, bad idea.

[Hamilton Brian]

The current impression is that if worsej still has the vote0, he's town, but if he doesn't, it means he's scum and scum put it onto another townie. I think that's what Eden's going for at least?

Why would that mean Worcej is scum if he doesn't have the 0vote?

I think the argument being used was that if worcej was town, the scumteam would have left the vote0 on him, but he was scum, the rest of the scumteam would have bussed it off of him and put it on another townie.

Like I was literally trying to say in the paragraph you quoted.

Ok, I "think" I get it now. Mafia want that vote power to count.

Can I ask about who we think the 2Votes is, because I have a suspicion, but I don't want to out anything if it's already been decided. If Chaqa had it determined in that mega-post then I'll look there and we're all good.

[President Eden]

I want to emphasize again—because I feel like all of worc/Rumi/HB missed it in what I said and I don’t want this ignored—worcej having a vote is not necessarily scum-indicative. It would obviously be one explanation for him getting it, but it’s not the only one. I will go over the possible ways I thought of in the event that worcej actually has a vote, because right now I fully expect it to be confirmed that worcej is still the (town) no-voter and the discussion would be moot otherwise.

[Rumi Tobari]

I want to emphasize again—because I feel like all of worc/Rumi/HB missed it in what I said and I don’t want this ignored—worcej having a vote is not necessarily scum-indicative. It would obviously be one explanation for him getting it, but it’s not the only one. I will go over the possible ways I thought of in the event that worcej actually has a vote, because right now I fully expect it to be confirmed that worcej is still the (town) no-voter and the discussion would be moot otherwise.

I was actually about to ask something about this. Is it feasible that scum!worsej could just be holding onto the zero vote and that the scumteam's plan is to let us run around in circles and slowly bleed us dry in attrition while looking as townie as possible?

[President Eden]

I want to emphasize again—because I feel like all of worc/Rumi/HB missed it in what I said and I don’t want this ignored—worcej having a vote is not necessarily scum-indicative. It would obviously be one explanation for him getting it, but it’s not the only one. I will go over the possible ways I thought of in the event that worcej actually has a vote, because right now I fully expect it to be confirmed that worcej is still the (town) no-voter and the discussion would be moot otherwise.

I was actually about to ask something about this. Is it feasible that scum!worsej could just be holding onto the zero vote and that the scumteam's plan is to let us run around in circles and slowly bleed us dry in attrition while looking as townie as possible?

Actually yes, but it’s an unlikely possibility (IMO). I think mafia would much rather get themselves the double vote and get the no vote onto town, since the combined effect of those things is to deprive us of a miskill, which is a lot more valuable (IMO anyway). And honestly worcej would at least consider that type of play as mafia, but I think it’s a sufficiently remote possibility that I’m not going to fret over it.

There are other possible confusion plays but again, let’s at least see where we stand first lol. I will cover them tonight for certain

[DemonRHK]

GM VOTE COUNT DAY FOUR THE SECOND
(Hand count, through post 5810)

Hamilton Brian(3): Bonatogether*, Rumi Tobari, celaph
Vecna(3): rdrivera2005, Vecna, President Eden
rdrivera2005(2): bo_xox48, Chaqa*
Presidentr Eden(1): ghug*
Chaqa(1): Hamilton Brian
worcej(1): worcej

Currently, NO ONE is set to be KILLED!

5.5 hours remain in Day 4.

[Hamilton Brian]

Why would that mean Worcej is scum if he doesn't have the 0vote?

I think the argument being used was that if worcej was town, the scumteam would have left the vote0 on him, but he was scum, the rest of the scumteam would have bussed it off of him and put it on another townie.

Like I was literally trying to say in the paragraph you quoted.

Ok, I "think" I get it now. Mafia want that vote power to count.

Can I ask about who we think the 2Votes is, because I have a suspicion, but I don't want to out anything if it's already been decided. If Chaqa had it determined in that mega-post then I'll look there and we're all good.

Forget it; I was re-reading Chaqa's post and it's not so cut-and-dry. Too much of it depends on driver and switching tags.

[ghug]

Why peek closer to EON instead of peeking right now so maybe we have more info today? I can see it being valid for Doc, cause of Oracle, but for other players I don't see much gain on peeking EON instead of peeking right now.

You know I think you’re right here

Maybe the Bleeder holds off too, but yes if you aren’t a town PR you probably should peek now

Well, this answer why we should peak at EON, otherwise we will expose town PRs lol

We don't necessarily want to expose PRs tomorrow either.

[ghug]

##VOTE Rivera

[ghug]

We need Vecna to vote solo on a wagon.

[Bonatogether]

why do we have a 3 way tie

[Hamilton Brian]

I have kept going back to Jamie's N3.

Using easy words I can understand, what makes ghug 100% mechanically clear? Is that just a way of saying that ghug wasn't involved in any tag swapping or anything like that?

But it doesn't mean that ghug is 100% town, right?

[Bonatogether]

I have kept going back to Jamie's N3.

Using easy words I can understand, what makes ghug 100% mechanically clear? Is that just a way of saying that ghug wasn't involved in any tag swapping or anything like that?

But it doesn't mean that ghug is 100% town, right?

I already know what my alignment is. I'm surprised nobody else does, though.

I'm thinking you probably want to peek to confirm I don't have the inno tag if you haven't used it already. I wouldn't mind not being clear.

I have peeked.

You are INNOCENT.

And, the Name Tag that I took from you was not a tag that fucks with copscans. So you are either the Godfather, or you are clear.

DAY HAS ENDED EARLY


SNOWY801has DIED! They were ELLIOT NESS the GODFATHER! (VACANT)

elliot ness is the scan as inno tag

[Bonatogether]

ghug is mechanically town