MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

Oh god we have two PRs left??? Lol

I would think Bleeder a relatively safe claim if they’re under suspicion, but up to them.

Yeah, and name tags can be self-proving too. Oracle nametag is out there and I think resistance to peeking would be mafia-indicative. We should mass claim/peek soon if not today

[Hamilton Brian]

You're too kind with regard to my time, Eden.

The PM I got during N2, when I entered the game, said I had peeked. I assume that's a night activity and the reveal would be made EON/SOD? So in that case it was N1 that Neon peeked.

[Chaqa]

I've got a pretty good system to figure out who is who and who did what with a bit more information.

Do you have a list of peek claims?

[Chaqa]

You're too kind with regard to my time, Eden.

The PM I got during N2, when I entered the game, said I had peeked. I assume that's a night activity and the reveal would be made EON/SOD? So in that case it was N1 that Neon peeked.

Can you ask DemonRHK exactly when Neon peeked?

[Rumi Tobari]

You're too kind with regard to my time, Eden.

The PM I got during N2, when I entered the game, said I had peeked. I assume that's a night activity and the reveal would be made EON/SOD? So in that case it was N1 that Neon peeked.

PEEK is an anytime activity, my peek was during D2.

[President Eden]

I've got a pretty good system to figure out who is who and who did what with a bit more information.

Do you have a list of peek claims?

Chaqa peeked and saw no-vot—up, wait, awwwwwww


Neon claimed a vanilla tag D2 but to my knowledge not the exact tag.
I claim, today, Axel Foley (vanilla) from N1 peek.
Sabi claimed deathbomb tag N1. Unclear when peeked, probably N1.
Vecna claimed John McClane N2 after a claimed D2 peek.

That’s all I remember

[rdrivera2005]

Oh god we have two PRs left??? Lol

I would think Bleeder a relatively safe claim if they’re under suspicion, but up to them.

Yeah, and name tags can be self-proving too. Oracle nametag is out there and I think resistance to peeking would be mafia-indicative. We should mass claim/peek soon if not today

I don't think we should mass claim with Bus driver still around. Doctor will be insta dead.

I have to think about the Bleeder claiming. Claiming too late could end in a counter claim and a gladiator that isn't great for town.

I can peek now if most people think it's the right move, but I suspect I might have the same tag I started with.

Anyway, I want to hear from more people about this.

[Rumi Tobari]

I'll add that I was Andy Taylor, and peeked D2.

I'm actually most interested in what Neon's tag was when she peeked, because I don't recall her actually saying her tag.

She didn't out what her tag was until Pyx was kind of pressing people on tags during N2, at which point we have this exchange:

So for clarification I won't get in trouble for outing the flavor name on my tag?

No, other people have already done it and it was okay. The issue with Rumi was posting the entire PM from Demon.

I just want the name that you were told, if you don't mind.

Harry Calahan

I personally felt some doubt here because of how unwilling she was to just say what her tag was when she peeked it in N1. "I'm vanilla town, I'm not elaborating any further on my tag" (not an exact quote, but what in essence happened there)

[Rumi Tobari]

Unrelated to my viewpoints on the timing and veracity of Neon's peek and when she claimed her tag, I saw this while checking it over, and noted it in relation to Pyx having been somewhat pressing Neon and Chaqa on tag peeks.

Another fun part about the Deathbomb is there's no guarantee that, and forgive if I need to shut up during the night, that the Cop doesn't scan Snowy tonight and swap nametags with him. So mafia has to make a bet that that won't happen.

Doctor could also heal Snowy tonight and swap the tag away...although that would be a very Dr. Nick kind of doctor.

If mafia wants to play it safe, they can BD the Deathbomb tag to another member. But then of course there's the risk that whoever they swap it to gets scanned/healed.

I think I'm thawing on the idea that the Deathbomb tag will freeze us, and that if we want to kill Snowy tomorrow, it shouldn't stop us. Although we should still care about the second place wagon, just in case.

I encourage you to think these thoughts and speak them in the AM.

As we all know, Pyx was the NK, unsure if meaningful, but an interesting coincidence at the least.

[President Eden]

If we aren’t massclaiming peeks then the only thing I really got is that we should make worcej and Vecna pick their own vanity wagons to confirm that worcej is still the no voter and Vecna is not the double voter

[worcej]

I’ll explain in a bit, but I did think of some follow up questions actually.

When precisely did you peek d2?

In the first hour - are you wanting a more specific time?

No that’s good enough.

What did you think of Chaqa claiming the no-vote tag?

The only reason to claim it was to try to avoid being targeted for any reason. I tend to scum lean claiming it to avoid any cop scans, but that’s incredibly bold to come out and draw attention to and I don’t think Chaqa would need to do that. I finally just arrived at Chaqa being dumb because he wanted to be.

[Chaqa]

If we aren’t massclaiming peeks then the only thing I really got is that we should make worcej and Vecna pick their own vanity wagons to confirm that worcej is still the no voter and Vecna is not the double voter

That was more or less my takeaway, too, at a minimum. We could even put them both on the same wagon and have it be our deathbomb failsafe.

[President Eden]

If we aren’t massclaiming peeks then the only thing I really got is that we should make worcej and Vecna pick their own vanity wagons to confirm that worcej is still the no voter and Vecna is not the double voter

That was more or less my takeaway, too, at a minimum. We could even put them both on the same wagon and have it be our deathbomb failsafe.

That’s less useful because it doesn’t unambiguously tell us their situation.

[Chaqa]

If we aren’t massclaiming peeks then the only thing I really got is that we should make worcej and Vecna pick their own vanity wagons to confirm that worcej is still the no voter and Vecna is not the double voter

That was more or less my takeaway, too, at a minimum. We could even put them both on the same wagon and have it be our deathbomb failsafe.

That’s less useful because it doesn’t unambiguously tell us their situation.

I think we can intuit it pretty safely, though.
One vote means worcej still has the 0-vote tag and Vecna had 2-vote stolen
Two votes means they both still have their tags
Three votes means worcej's 0-vote tag got yoinked

I doubt any world where worcej AND Vecna's tags are taken

[worcej]

There's some real Monday-morning-QB-triumphantilism going on here. Just remember a bunch of you all made the wrong choice two days in a row.

lol, well said HB

[rdrivera2005]

That was more or less my takeaway, too, at a minimum. We could even put them both on the same wagon and have it be our deathbomb failsafe.

That’s less useful because it doesn’t unambiguously tell us their situation.

I think we can intuit it pretty safely, though.
One vote means worcej still has the 0-vote tag and Vecna had 2-vote stolen
Two votes means they both still have their tags
Three votes means worcej's 0-vote tag got yoinked

I doubt any world where worcej AND Vecna's tags are taken

If we are hammering just make them both vote on vanity wagons and have two to vote on the failsafe wagon and the others hammer.

[President Eden]

That was more or less my takeaway, too, at a minimum. We could even put them both on the same wagon and have it be our deathbomb failsafe.

That’s less useful because it doesn’t unambiguously tell us their situation.

I think we can intuit it pretty safely, though.
One vote means worcej still has the 0-vote tag and Vecna had 2-vote stolen
Two votes means they both still have their tags
Three votes means worcej's 0-vote tag got yoinked

I doubt any world where worcej AND Vecna's tags are taken

Or that Vecna never had the double vote, and worcej either had his tag taken or not.

[Chaqa]

Ah yeah I guess it's enough reason to separate them.

I'm unsure if we should hammer anyway.

[worcej]

Is there some detail im actually missing?

Y'all are talking like there is some other outted scum or w/e.

I feel the same way right now with the HB wagon. Besides my early take on Neon, what changed?

[worcej]

The chief reason I am not looking at Bona as hardscum right now is because the vote on Byz on D1 was made with 5 hours to go and no change at all. Not sure when the END vote was made, and too lazy to look up right now, but a confident mafia team might make that gutsy play, and make it two days in a row. The bussing looks good, gives lots of town credit.

I arrive at the exact opposite conclusion as you based on the same arguments.