MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#5281 Post by worcej » Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:29 pm

Though drama apparently killed his desire to play, snowy did a fucking great job convincing me he was town and had me 100% convinced he wasn’t scum.

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#5282 Post by President Eden » Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:35 pm

worcej wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:26 pm
President Eden wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:05 pm
worcej wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 4:52 pm
Scum could swap the tag off me tonight, sure. But again - what value does that bring?

You move it to another towny? Okay, fine - nothing changes.
You move it to another scum? Hope you BD doesn’t die.

I would think the best bet would be to not touch me at all because the risk-reward of moving the tag off me is just unnecessary wifom when the scum team is only down one member.
Well, I don’t know how much I even buy it, but there’s an obvious mafia motivation to free you from the tag if you’re mafia. I agree that there’s not a lot of point to freeing you up if you’re town though. That was actually why I brought it up—I was in the middle of writing up my mixed feelings on you and thought I observed that you HAD lost the tag, which is pretty :? But obviously there was another reasonable explanation for what I was seeing.

All I’m really saying is that I think your behavior bled town but in the interest of thoroughness, I went back and looked at your record expecting to remove you from my POE pool, and found I could see the argument for you being mafia having a good game.
If I was mafia and had this tag, why wouldn’t me and my team have freed me of it on N1?

If I was mafia - I would have peeked on D1 to know what tag I had to plan for the BD movement. I would do it regardless of the concern of accidentally hitting the self oracle. Knowing I have any special tag would be critical for executing the NK and BD actions.

Mechanically, there is no point as mafia to keep the tag on themselves because it effectively neuters the team by taking a vote away.

Otherwise, I am not going to fault you for reading me as defending Byz because that’s exactly what I was doing. I was just doing it as a stupid towny not trusting the origins of the case on Byz.
You’d have peeked with the risk of having oracle tag and just outing yourself as scum d1? Bold.

That answer kind of locks me into thinking you’re town though lol…

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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#5283 Post by President Eden » Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:36 pm

worcej wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:29 pm
Though drama apparently killed his desire to play, snowy did a fucking great job convincing me he was town and had me 100% convinced he wasn’t scum.
This + your earlier statement about peeking d2 adds up to me from a townie perspective 👍🏻

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#5284 Post by bo_sox48 » Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:39 pm

Can you guys quit fucking up quotes

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#5285 Post by President Eden » Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:41 pm

bo_sox48 wrote:
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Can you guys quit fucking up quotes
Fix your site boomer

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#5286 Post by bo_sox48 » Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:45 pm

That would involve getting rid of the forum entirely

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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#5287 Post by President Eden » Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:46 pm

no wait dont do that

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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#5288 Post by Bonatogether » Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:47 pm

old forum is still around

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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#5289 Post by ghug » Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:56 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:47 pm
old forum is still around
Yeah let's go play there.

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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#5290 Post by Bonatogether » Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:04 pm

ghug wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:56 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:47 pm
old forum is still around
Yeah let's go play there.


it's not visible on the front page so we can do whatever

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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#5291 Post by worcej » Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:20 pm

President Eden wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:35 pm
worcej wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:26 pm
President Eden wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:05 pm

Well, I don’t know how much I even buy it, but there’s an obvious mafia motivation to free you from the tag if you’re mafia. I agree that there’s not a lot of point to freeing you up if you’re town though. That was actually why I brought it up—I was in the middle of writing up my mixed feelings on you and thought I observed that you HAD lost the tag, which is pretty :? But obviously there was another reasonable explanation for what I was seeing.

All I’m really saying is that I think your behavior bled town but in the interest of thoroughness, I went back and looked at your record expecting to remove you from my POE pool, and found I could see the argument for you being mafia having a good game.
If I was mafia and had this tag, why wouldn’t me and my team have freed me of it on N1?

If I was mafia - I would have peeked on D1 to know what tag I had to plan for the BD movement. I would do it regardless of the concern of accidentally hitting the self oracle. Knowing I have any special tag would be critical for executing the NK and BD actions.

Mechanically, there is no point as mafia to keep the tag on themselves because it effectively neuters the team by taking a vote away.

Otherwise, I am not going to fault you for reading me as defending Byz because that’s exactly what I was doing. I was just doing it as a stupid towny not trusting the origins of the case on Byz.
You’d have peeked with the risk of having oracle tag and just outing yourself as scum d1? Bold.

That answer kind of locks me into thinking you’re town though lol…
Truthfully, I believe the mafia players all know their tags by now. 1/17 chance to get the oracle is mighty low.

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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#5292 Post by worcej » Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:21 pm

bo_sox48 wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:45 pm
That would involve getting rid of the forum entirely
*eyes narrow*

Go on…

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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#5293 Post by worcej » Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:21 pm

Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:04 pm
ghug wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:56 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:47 pm
old forum is still around
Yeah let's go play there.


it's not visible on the front page so we can do whatever
This is how I know your alignment is CN

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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#5294 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:24 pm

ghug wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:56 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:47 pm
old forum is still around
Yeah let's go play there.


Ok, I've moved the thread over to the old forum, let's play there.

https://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?viewthread=1539551
Potato, potato; potato.

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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#5295 Post by worcej » Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:24 pm

President Eden wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:36 pm
worcej wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:29 pm
Though drama apparently killed his desire to play, snowy did a fucking great job convincing me he was town and had me 100% convinced he wasn’t scum.
This + your earlier statement about peeking d2 adds up to me from a townie perspective 👍🏻
I don’t follow your logic here… why would that alleviate your concerns?

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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#5296 Post by ghug » Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:27 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:24 pm
ghug wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:56 pm
Bonatogether wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:47 pm
old forum is still around
Yeah let's go play there.


Ok, I've moved the thread over to the old forum, let's play there.

https://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?viewthread=1539551
I was really hoping this was a link to Abgemact Is An Asshat Fucktard or Daily Bible Reading or something.

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#5297 Post by bo_sox48 » Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:28 pm

The main advantage of leaving the old forum open is that the spambots go there for some reason.


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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#5299 Post by President Eden » Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:29 pm

worcej wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:24 pm
President Eden wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:36 pm
worcej wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:29 pm
Though drama apparently killed his desire to play, snowy did a fucking great job convincing me he was town and had me 100% convinced he wasn’t scum.
This + your earlier statement about peeking d2 adds up to me from a townie perspective 👍🏻
I don’t follow your logic here… why would that alleviate your concerns?
I’ll explain in a bit, but I did think of some follow up questions actually.

When precisely did you peek d2?

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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#5300 Post by worcej » Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:52 pm

President Eden wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:29 pm
worcej wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 6:24 pm
President Eden wrote:
Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:36 pm

This + your earlier statement about peeking d2 adds up to me from a townie perspective 👍🏻
I don’t follow your logic here… why would that alleviate your concerns?
I’ll explain in a bit, but I did think of some follow up questions actually.

When precisely did you peek d2?
In the first hour - are you wanting a more specific time?

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