MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

Honestly unless it’s important for solving something (including my alignment, in fairness, so if you still have questions about that, then disregard this), I don’t really want to talk about EOD2 anymore for now. I’m happy to do a postmortem on it after the game is over.

[celaph]

##vote Snowy ##end

We don't need a second wagon to confirm that Snowy has the deathbomb, we can always just read his name tag once it flips. Though I'm not complaining about HB as a second wagon.

[celaph]

Updating PE's mech post given that

GM NOTE

Yes, the NK is a visit, and the performing member will trade nametags with the intended victim at that stage of the execution of night orders.

WHAT WE (THINK WE) KNOW

- Sabi claimed deathbomb N1 and then flipped as townie with guilty-tag D2
- darg flipped as Florist with a vanilla tag N1
- Jamie claimed Cop with N1 target of Neon redirected to Sabi (Sabi scans town), N2 target of ghug (town), and did not receive the deathbomb from Sabi
- Neon claimed vanilla tag and receipt of flowers D2
- snowy claimed deathbomb D2

So for N1 we have:

Bus Driver (who is not Neon or Sabi) flipped Neon and Sabi. Depending on how the order was entered, either Neon or the Bus Driver had the deathbomb D2:

Scenario 1: ##BUS Sabi and Neon = Sabi gives Neon deathbomb, Neon gives Neon’s original tag to Bus Driver, Bus Driver gives initial tag to Sabi. Sabi has BD_tag_initial, Neon has deathbomb, Bus Driver has Neon_tag_initial.
Scenario 2: ##BUS Neon and Sabi = Neon gives Neon’s original tag to Sabi, Sabi gives deathbomb to Bus Driver, Bus Driver gives initial tag to Neon. Sabi has Neon_tag_initial, Neon has BD_tag_initial, Bus Driver has deathbomb.

Neon claims Dargo visited her, which means that Dargo initially visited Sabi and got redirected.

Scenario 1: Sabi has BD_tag_initial, Neon has Dargo_tag_initial, Bus Driver has Neon_tag_initial, Dargo has deathbomb.
Scenario 2: Sabi has Neon_tag_initial, Neon has Dargo_tag_initial, Bus Driver has deathbomb, Dargo has BD_tag_initial.

Jamie visited Neon and was redirected to Sabi, and got a not guilty on Sabi. This means Sabi did not have the guilty tag at this point.

Scenario 1: Sabi has Jamie_tag_initial, Neon has Dargo_tag_initial, Bus Driver has Neon_tag_initial, Dargo has deathbomb, Jamie has BD_tag_initial.
Scenario 2: Sabi has Jamie_tag_initial, Neon has Dargo_tag_initial, Bus Driver has deathbomb, Dargo has BD_tag_initial, Jamie has Neon_tag_initial.

Mafia kills Dargo. Switching tags between Dargo and the Night Killer.

Scenario 1: Sabi has Jamie_tag_initial, Neon has Dargo_tag_initial, Bus Driver has Neon_tag_initial, Dargo has NK_initial_tag, Jamie has BD_tag_initial, Night Killer has deathbomb.
Scenario 2: Sabi has Jamie_tag_initial, Neon has Dargo_tag_initial, Bus Driver has deathbomb, Dargo has NK_initial_tag, Jamie has Neon_tag_initial, Night Killer has BD_tag_initial.

The Night Killer could be Neon in which case
Scenario 1.1: Neon has deathbomb, Dargo has Dargo_tag_initial
Scenario 2.1: Neon has BD_tag_initial, Dargo has Dargo_tag_initial

The Night Killer could be Bus Driver in which case
Scenario 1.2: Bus Driver has deathbomb, Dargo has Neon_tag_initial
Scenario 2.2: Bus Driver has BD_tag_initial, Dargo has deathbomb

Doctor’s actions are unknown. If doctor visited Dargo then strongman has been used and the doctor switches tag with Dargo.

Dargo flips as Florist with vanilla tag (Olivia Benson). Scenario 2.2 is only possible if doctor visited Dargo. All other scenarios are possible without a doctor.

In either scenario Sabi dies with Jamie’s initial tag, which is revealed to be the guilty-tag (l o fucking l).

So now we get to day 2 and snowy claims the deathbomb. Snowy could be telling the truth: as the Night Killer in scenario 1, Bus Driver in scenario 2, 2.1, or 1.2, as doctor in any scenario, or if Sabi is lying and he is doctor/had deathbomb to start. Incidentally Scenario 2 is the only scenario where Neon can be telling the truth either (It's not clear to me why this is the case. Neon ends up with Dargo's initial unidentified tag in all scenarios except 1.1 and 2.1 where we are already assuming she is scum.).

So either snowy lied about having the deathbomb… which is I guess possible as town but extremely reckless… or he is the B̶u̶s̶ ̶D̶r̶i̶v̶e̶r̶ mafia/doctor/town who started with deathbomb and Sabi was lying. He isn’t around anymore to explain the town motivation behind lying about having the deathbomb. And the cases where he is town and telling the truth feel contrived and unlikely. I don’t really see a way around killing that slot, the only alternative option being leaving it alive in the hopes of it getting modkilled per Demon’s explanation of how vacancy works. I kind of think the sporting thing to do is to just kill the slot and not get a double kill, but up to y’all.

All of this means precious little about Neon per se, but I kind of think Neon was just mafia too.

##unend
I want to at least sleep on the possibility that Snowy is doctor.

[celaph]

Nvm, ##end. If Byz was doctor and had half a brain he would have claimed D1.

[rdrivera2005]

rdr has not said that he is 100% vanilla town this game

I am tryng to avoid having ton use this, because this isn't good neither as town or scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

It’s that time again kids!

Italics mean the person’s alignment is known to me.
Underline mean the person’s alignment is public knowledge.
Green means I believe the person is town.
Red means I believe the person is mafia.

damo666 (7): BesharamSabi, celaph, dargorygel, worcej, Byz, ghug, Vecna
Byz (5): Jamiet99uk, Bonatogether, President Eden, Chaqa, Rumi Tobari
celaph (1): Princess Neon
BesharamSabi (1): damo666
Jamiet99uk (1): rdrivera2005
Chaqa (1): bo_sox48
ghug (1): pyxxy

Chaqa looks pretty good to me based off this, despite all his weirdness.

Kind of think the team is snowy801 / Hamilton Brian / Vecna / rdrivera2005.

You think nobody bussed D1?

[Jamiet99uk]

thank you Jamie for giving me something real to work with

good cop

I don't wanna be clear

You aren't.

You could be the Godfather.

[Jamiet99uk]

Are we deciding on a second wagon and hammering Snowy or what?

I'd be ok with that.

[Chaqa]

Also I FIXED THE QUOTE POST BUG!!!

There is an extra a href tag for time when you quote a second post with the quote post button

Remove it and you’re good

Bruh there aren’t even hrefs in the quote blocks

[Chaqa]

JFC it looks like I missed a lot in these ~30 hours of being gone...

TLDR you’re town and snowy is scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

##END

[Chaqa]

Also I FIXED THE QUOTE POST BUG!!!

There is an extra a href tag for time when you quote a second post with the quote post button

Remove it and you’re good

Anyone want to TL;DR before I do a crap job of reading the bot?

Fuck you talking about?

[quote=worcej post_id=310554 time=<a href="tel:1661143591">1661143591</a> user_id=857]
Anyone want to TL;DR before I do a crap job of reading the bot?

Jamie cop, Jamie learn Neon and Sabi bussed by driver, Jamie learn ghug town

For mechanics summary that is not a tldr but maybe sorts it out in one post, here

^^ this is the outcome of hitting the Quote Post button and going to the posting screen, then scrolling down and hitting the Quote Post button again
[/quote]

NO WONDER YOURE HAVING ISSUES WHO DOES THAT

[Chaqa]

##vote Snowy ##end

We don't need a second wagon to confirm that Snowy has the deathbomb, we can always just read his name tag once it flips. Though I'm not complaining about HB as a second wagon.

This guy

Can we second wagon him instead

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm not massively interested in another 34 hours of this.

Come on, Fellow Townspersons, let's put Snowy out of our misery.

[Chaqa]

I'm not massively interested in another 34 hours of this.

Come on, Fellow Townspersons, let's put Snowy out of our misery.

We need 7 hammers on snowy. We have four. I can switch and be #5 but that doesn’t get us there yet

[Chaqa]

@anyone who gets on: it’s hammer time

[Jamiet99uk]

@anyone who gets on: it’s hammer time

STOP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pHhb4biR9k

[Chaqa]

@anyone who gets on: it’s hammer time

STOP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pHhb4biR9k

Take your upvote you blood pudding boy

[Rumi Tobari]

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[Rumi Tobari]

I'm not massively interested in another 34 hours of this.

Come on, Fellow Townspersons, let's put Snowy out of our misery.

We need 7 hammers on snowy. We have four. I can switch and be #5 but that doesn’t get us there yet

You can switch and be #6.