MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

##vote neon

knew it

The new information isn't really that damning to Neon. What is it that you knew?

[Bonatogether]

anyway let’s just run up our vacant slot thats apparently >90% mafia (I’M SORRY GUYS MY BAD ONE DAY I’LL ACTUALLY CLOSE OUT A FUCKING SCUM KILL SMH MY HEAD) and set neon as the backup kill just in case

or uno reverse that i guess, i don’t care which, but they’re almost certainly both scum imo

doesnt matter, kill scum, big win

[ghug]

Why couldn't bus driver have driven Sabi onto Snowy?

Because Jamie's attempted Sabi visit went to Neon.

[Bonatogether]

more proof:

assume Sabi was truthfully deathbomb

Bus Driver - had to have switched Sabi and Neon (per Jamie), so Neon has deathbomb
Florist - Neon claims to be targeted, meaning Neon passed the deathbomb to darg
Cop - Jamie targeted Neon but was redirected to Sabi, so Jamie didn’t tamper with Neon

darg flipped vanilla, not deathbomb

so either (1) Sabi lied, (2) doc saved Sabi and got redirected to Neon swapping tag, or (3) Neon lied

@ghug i don't think 1 or 2 are likely.

[Rumi Tobari]

##vote neon

knew it

Neon was subbed with Hamilton. This is why I kept telling Sabi not to insist innocence on familiarity alone. But I think Jamie has a point on getting rid of the bus driver. I don't want that to be left to GM randomization.
##vote snowy

[Bonatogether]

##vote neon

knew it

Neon was subbed with Hamilton. This is why I kept telling Sabi not to insist innocence on familiarity alone. But I think Jamie has a point on getting rid of the bus driver. I don't want that to be left to GM randomization.
##vote snowy

oh true, i forgot
##vote hamilton

[President Eden]

Your attention please, I actually have useful mech post maybe.

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WHAT WE (THINK WE) KNOW

- Sabi claimed deathbomb N1 and then flipped as townie with guilty-tag D2
- darg flipped as Florist with a vanilla tag N1
- Jamie claimed Cop with N1 target of Neon redirected to Sabi (Sabi scans town), N2 target of ghug (town), and did not receive the deathbomb from Sabi
- Neon claimed vanilla tag and receipt of flowers D2
- snowy claimed deathbomb D2

So for N1 we have:

Bus Driver (who is not Neon or Sabi) flipped Neon and Sabi. Depending on how the order was entered, either Neon or the Bus Driver had the deathbomb D2:

Scenario 1: ##BUS Sabi and Neon = Sabi gives Neon deathbomb, Neon gives Neon’s original tag to Bus Driver, Bus Driver gives initial tag to Sabi. Sabi has BD_tag_initial, Neon has deathbomb, Bus Driver has Neon_tag_initial.
Scenario 2: ##BUS Neon and Sabi = Neon gives Neon’s original tag to Sabi, Sabi gives deathbomb to Bus Driver, Bus Driver gives initial tag to Neon. Sabi has Neon_tag_initial, Neon has BD_tag_initial, Bus Driver has deathbomb.

Neon claims Dargo visited her, which means that Dargo initially visited Sabi and got redirected.

Scenario 1: Sabi has BD_tag_initial, Neon has Dargo_tag_initial, Bus Driver has Neon_tag_initial, Dargo has deathbomb.
Scenario 2: Sabi has Neon_tag_initial, Neon has Dargo_tag_initial, Bus Driver has deathbomb, Dargo has BD_tag_initial.

Jamie visited Neon and was redirected to Sabi, and got a not guilty on Sabi. This means Sabi did not have the guilty tag at this point.

Scenario 1: Sabi has Jamie_tag_initial, Neon has Dargo_tag_initial, Bus Driver has Neon_tag_initial, Dargo has deathbomb, Jamie has BD_tag_initial.
Scenario 2: Sabi has Jamie_tag_initial, Neon has Dargo_tag_initial, Bus Driver has deathbomb, Dargo has BD_tag_initial, Jamie has Neon_tag_initial.

Doctor’s actions are unknown.

Mafia kills Dargo. Dargo flips as Florist with vanilla tag (Olivia Benson).

Unless the Doctor saved Dargo and the Mafia used strongman kill to override, or Neon lied about receiving flowers, then Scenario 1 cannot be true, because Dargo would have flipped as the deathbomb.

In either scenario Sabi dies with Jamie’s initial tag, which is revealed to be the guilty-tag (l o fucking l).

So now we get to day 2 and snowy claims the deathbomb. snowy can only be telling the truth in Scenario 2, which makes him the Bus Driver. Incidentally Scenario 2 is the only scenario where Neon can be telling the truth either.

So either snowy lied about having the deathbomb… which is I guess possible as town but extremely reckless… or he is the Bus Driver. He isn’t around anymore to explain the town motivation behind lying about having the deathbomb. I don’t really see a way around killing that slot, the only alternative option being leaving it alive in the hopes of it getting modkilled per Demon’s explanation of how vacancy works. I kind of think the sporting thing to do is to just kill the slot and not get a double kill, but up to y’all.

All of this means precious little about Neon per se, but I kind of think Neon was just mafia too.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why couldn't bus driver have driven Sabi onto Snowy?

Because Jamie's attempted Sabi visit went to Neon.

Slight correction - you have that backwards, Ghug. I attempted to visit Neon, and got Sabi instead.

However, the result is the same in terms of Chaqa's query. The bus driver can only swap two people. He was busy swapping Neon and Sabi so could not also target Snowy.

I continue to believe that Snowy IS the Bus Driver.

[Jamiet99uk]

##vote neon

knew it

What did you know?

Why do you conclude that Neon is scum?

[President Eden]

I’m going with the sporting move of not exploiting the GM’s good faith effort to leave open a chance for sub to get a double kill we haven’t earned, but I won’t stop you from doing otherwise.

##VOTE snowy801

[President Eden]

##vote neon

knew it

What did you know?

Why do you conclude that Neon is scum?

Apparently when you have a child all your scumhunting talent is passed on

So Chaqa can still have kids but some of you should be thinking it over

[ghug]

more proof:

assume Sabi was truthfully deathbomb

Bus Driver - had to have switched Sabi and Neon (per Jamie), so Neon has deathbomb
Florist - Neon claims to be targeted, meaning Neon passed the deathbomb to darg
Cop - Jamie targeted Neon but was redirected to Sabi, so Jamie didn’t tamper with Neon

darg flipped vanilla, not deathbomb

so either (1) Sabi lied, (2) doc saved Sabi and got redirected to Neon swapping tag, or (3) Neon lied

@ghug i don't think 1 or 2 are likely.

This analysis missed that the bus driver rotates tags with their targets.

[Hamilton Brian]

I am so friggin' "eyes glossed over" confused.

Kind of weird to be dropping in this game without context for whatever Neon had said before.

Brian will just have to Brian along.

I see bo posted some amazing wall of text before hiking and I can't even get through a 1/4 of it but I will refrain from the OMGUS vote on then.

But bona!

[Jamiet99uk]

YEAH COMPLEX MECHANICS WOO

[Chaqa]

Why couldn't bus driver have driven Sabi onto Snowy?

Because Jamie's attempted Sabi visit went to Neon.

Ah it’s odd you’re told but that’s neat.

Okay so then wouldn’t that mean neon has the death bomb if Sabi was telling the truth?

[Chaqa]

Why couldn't bus driver have driven Sabi onto Snowy?

Because Jamie's attempted Sabi visit went to Neon.

Ah it’s odd you’re told but that’s neat.

Okay so then wouldn’t that mean neon has the death bomb if Sabi was telling the truth?

Wait… but Dargo floristed neon

So…

Uhh..

Okay. I need to sit down with this one.

Maybe I’ll write a program

[Jamiet99uk]

Why couldn't bus driver have driven Sabi onto Snowy?

Because Jamie's attempted Sabi visit went to Neon.

Ah it’s odd you’re told but that’s neat.

Okay so then wouldn’t that mean neon has the death bomb if Sabi was telling the truth?

No because Ghug got it the wrong way around. I attempted to visit Neon, and I was redirected to Sabi.

[Bonatogether]

##vote neon

knew it

What did you know?

Why do you conclude that Neon is scum?

so either (1) Sabi lied, (2) doc saved Sabi and got redirected to Neon swapping tag, or (3) Neon lied

sabi lying is imaginable but not plausible
doc saving sabi is highly unlikely - who would think scum would shoot them?
fits with my preconceived notion that neon was scum. ez

[Bonatogether]

more proof:

assume Sabi was truthfully deathbomb

Bus Driver - had to have switched Sabi and Neon (per Jamie), so Neon has deathbomb
Florist - Neon claims to be targeted, meaning Neon passed the deathbomb to darg
Cop - Jamie targeted Neon but was redirected to Sabi, so Jamie didn’t tamper with Neon

darg flipped vanilla, not deathbomb

so either (1) Sabi lied, (2) doc saved Sabi and got redirected to Neon swapping tag, or (3) Neon lied

@ghug i don't think 1 or 2 are likely.

This analysis missed that the bus driver rotates tags with their targets.

ok well
i have zero understanding of mechs

[Bonatogether]

I am so friggin' "eyes glossed over" confused.

Kind of weird to be dropping in this game without context for whatever Neon had said before.

Brian will just have to Brian along.

I see bo posted some amazing wall of text before hiking and I can't even get through a 1/4 of it but I will refrain from the OMGUS vote on then.

But bona!

hi hb

i don't confuse you with HR anymore