MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[Jamiet99uk]

Not necessarily. If Darg was bussed first, he swapped his nametag with the bus driver, and THEN swaps the bus driver's nametag with his murderer.

Into the "grasping at straws to catch-up and catch-on" phase. Was there any confirmation of a nametag swap? We'd never get this information if it was a NK, right? Sorry for the obtuseness; just grappling with the mechanics and this whole nametag thing.

Okay so, Pyx is saying definitively that Drag's nametag is swapped with whoever killed him.

However, there's an order of operations (which I had to be corrected on)
Bus driver
Cop scan
Florist visit
Mafia Kill
Doctor heal

We know that drag was florist, I was trying to remind Pyx that we couldn't be 100% certain if his killer has his nametag.

Its a reasonable assumption to make, but without confirmation of any kind, we can't be completely sure. There seems to have been a bit of an element here in which most of us didn't read the setup too carefully.

We know the Doctor did not heal Darg, because he died.

The killer therefore definitely took whatever tag Darg was wearing at the point the kill took place. It is entirely possible that was not the tag Darg began the game with.

Indeed, if Princess Neon's flower claim is to be believed, the killer would have taken, from Darg, the tag which Neon was holding at the point of the Florist visit.

[ghug]

Is anyone else bugged by Eden’s quick turnaround on snowy. I can’t shake it.

It didn’t feel particularly quick in my head

Was it happening before snowy's claim?

[President Eden]

Is anyone else bugged by Eden’s quick turnaround on snowy. I can’t shake it.

It didn’t feel particularly quick in my head

Was it happening before snowy’s claim?

Trending that way. Turning point was Friday night

[snowy801]

Is anyone else bugged by Eden's quick turnaround on snowy. I can't shake it.

Yes.

This kind of thing is why I'm reluctant to firmly commit to townreading anyone.

What do you mean by that?

[Bonatogether]

Is anyone else bugged by Eden's quick turnaround on snowy. I can't shake it.

100%

[Bonatogether]

Is anyone else bugged by Eden's quick turnaround on snowy. I can't shake it.

100%

didn't you try to kinda discourage me from this exact line of reasoning here
viewtopic.php?p=310132#p310132

[President Eden]

Is anyone else bugged by Eden’s quick turnaround on snowy. I can’t shake it.

100%

didn’t you try to kinda discourage me from this exact line of reasoning here
viewtopic.php?p=310132#p310132

100%

[ghug]

Is anyone else bugged by Eden's quick turnaround on snowy. I can't shake it.

100%

didn't you try to kinda discourage me from this exact line of reasoning here
viewtopic.php?p=310132#p310132

Kind of, but that's because I wanted you to avoid biasing yourself by deciding before reading, so validating but telling you to read wouldn't have been as useful.

I'm also not as convinced as you.

[celaph]

lmao

I second this question

Bo you probably didn't get to read this post at D2 -00:15 before EOD

:eyes-emoji:

##VOTE BesharamSabi

:eyes-emoji:

(ghug wagon isn't going anywhere today either and the bare minimum that I can do is not make the same EOD twice in a row)

To be clear, I'm okay with this in the context of Snowy still being the DK and Sabi be collateral damage (mostly bc of the last ~6 hours of D2?). In an incredibly contradictory opinion, I want the Deathbomb gone but I'm pretty sure Snowy's not scum. :)

ghug you have no excuse, I made it clear ahead of time that I wanted Deathbomb gone and Sabi dying was cool so long as it was collateral damage from Snowy dying

If anything I switched too late and the momentum of the meme pick won easily. Go yell at Eden and Chaqa for that.

Just because you said it earlier doesn't make this perspective not anti-town. At worst, deathbomb kills one town. Killing someone you think is town to get rid of the deathbomb is trading down.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Mafia Team
or
@Doctor

Please help me remain alive tonight.

At the rate Chaqa is going I'll have 15,000 karma by N3.

[pyxxy]

Not necessarily. If Darg was bussed first, he swapped his nametag with the bus driver, and THEN swaps the bus driver's nametag with his murderer.

Into the "grasping at straws to catch-up and catch-on" phase. Was there any confirmation of a nametag swap? We'd never get this information if it was a NK, right? Sorry for the obtuseness; just grappling with the mechanics and this whole nametag thing.

Okay so, Pyx is saying definitively that Drag's nametag is swapped with whoever killed him.

However, there's an order of operations (which I had to be corrected on)
Bus driver
Cop scan
Florist visit
Mafia Kill
Doctor heal

We know that drag was florist, I was trying to remind Pyx that we couldn't be 100% certain if his killer has his nametag.

Its a reasonable assumption to make, but without confirmation of any kind, we can't be completely sure. There seems to have been a bit of an element here in which most of us didn't read the setup too carefully.

yeah I'm not commenting on nametag things at the advice of the many lawyers in this game but it was mostly so that I remember that -- and that's the lawyers again. I'll explain in the morning / when I think it makes sense.

[pyxxy]

If I ask really nice will mafia shoot me or Eden

Mafia's obviously gonna shoot Jamie.

Snowy wouldn't scumclaim so clearly XD

[pyxxy]

Thanks Rumi. I don't think the nametag this is of too much value to me coming into the game at this point. It's a nothing burger as far as I am concerned. I think it was Chaqa or Eden who suggested it could be a thing of importance as the game goes on.

:shrug: Definitely not a fan of funny mechanics.

+1 to don't concern yourself with it, someone else will take care of it if it ends up mattering

[pyxxy]

I second this question

Bo you probably didn't get to read this post at D2 -00:15 before EOD

To be clear, I'm okay with this in the context of Snowy still being the DK and Sabi be collateral damage (mostly bc of the last ~6 hours of D2?). In an incredibly contradictory opinion, I want the Deathbomb gone but I'm pretty sure Snowy's not scum. :)

ghug you have no excuse, I made it clear ahead of time that I wanted Deathbomb gone and Sabi dying was cool so long as it was collateral damage from Snowy dying

If anything I switched too late and the momentum of the meme pick won easily. Go yell at Eden and Chaqa for that.

Just because you said it earlier doesn't make this perspective not anti-town. At worst, deathbomb kills one town. Killing someone you think is town to get rid of the deathbomb is trading down.

I appreciate your perspective on this and I think we basically agree, just from different directions, if that makes sense.

[bo_sox48]

But you don't agree. Your position is that it benefits town to kill someone you think is town to get rid of the bomb and celaph's position is that your position is anti-town.

[pyxxy]

But you don't agree. Your position is that it benefits town to kill someone you think is town to get rid of the bomb and celaph's position is that your position is anti-town.

Celaph thinks Snowy is scum, no? He said "at worst it kills one town".

[bo_sox48]

Does he? In that case I am not entirely sure why he voted for Besharam in the end and never once voted for snowy yesterday. Probably a question you can ask him.

I am more focused on "Killing someone you think is town to get rid of the deathbomb is trading down."

[pyxxy]

Yeah I'm coming around to that perspective.

[bo_sox48]

He also spent all of day 1 on the damo wagon.

[pyxxy]

He also spent all of day 1 on the damo wagon.

Not nitpicking adding context, he voted for damo with ~9 hours left in D1:

There is no vote I love at the moment, I'm leaning ##vote damo right now. The more I've thought about it the more I'm bothered by the fact that his most notable post is commenting on the metas of the people who've played here before and not anything about the current game.

There is a cluster of people just after damo who I don't love and could see voting out (pyxxy, dargo, jamie, chaqa). I should also reread Sabi in the morning. I liked rdr's comment about them x Eden being tvt, but my largest note about them is that they disliked other people critiquing their play which is NAI.

Maybe we should just do the opposite of celaph's reads? XD

people that Celaph didn't like that flipped town so far:
damo, darg, Sabi

given I'm also town, I townread Jamie too...yikes