MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

Oh, I read that last post of yours as meaning “I don’t believe any of this and it’s all cap so I wish I had voted you out” though I think now you meant it more like “you’re being annoying and not helpful”??

That’s like half right. Annoying is a bit harsh, but you’ve now got a chance to go through what I think was the most impactful 12 hours or so of the game yet. So it’d be nice to get some real thoughts, particularly when you demurred on doing so earlier on the basis of an outright lie (that your vote didn’t count so you didn’t care).

Well, part of it was committing to the act so I could try to draw a kill. I was thinking about things but most of what I was considering got turned on its head by the Dargo and Sabi flips.

I'll hopefully be able to review more later, but I think rivera is scummy and I think mafia would totally swap the bomb onto their own so I'm currently like 75%+ on snowy being scum.

[pyxxy]

Bo you probably didn't get to read this post at D2 -00:15 before EOD

To be clear, I'm okay with this in the context of Snowy still being the DK and Sabi be collateral damage (mostly bc of the last ~6 hours of D2?). In an incredibly contradictory opinion, I want the Deathbomb gone but I'm pretty sure Snowy's not scum. :)

This does not answer the question ghug asked at all, so please answer it, and then answer the one I have from this post: why are you okay with killing someone you think is town in order to get rid of a nametag? What about it scares you so much?

I answered this re: Snowy asking me

Kinda weird you're just fine with 2 town dying like that
Like someone do the lylo math but I feel like it's not looking that great even now (not that it's all that bad either but an extra death would definitely have an impact)

It's because I think Deathbomb gets worse and worse for town in the late game. I was already thinking this back at this post in N1.

Feeling big sad that there's not a vig to shoot Sabi during the night, given deathbomb is a hinderance for town (imo) and we would all be better off with the nametag gone.

Maybe I'm calculating the odds wrong. But in my mind, a Deathbomb _that we cannot track because people have already used their peeks_ just leads us to being afraid to DK actual scum, for fear of taking out a townie with them. It's going to freeze us up later on.

Back to my question, Bo, what does your IRL schedule for D3 look like? Will you be able to be more active than you were on D2? I again say that I believe we will need your experience and scumhunting skills.

[President Eden]

Oh, I read that last post of yours as meaning “I don’t believe any of this and it’s all cap so I wish I had voted you out” though I think now you meant it more like “you’re being annoying and not helpful”??

That’s like half right. Annoying is a bit harsh, but you’ve now got a chance to go through what I think was the most impactful 12 hours or so of the game yet. So it’d be nice to get some real thoughts, particularly when you demurred on doing so earlier on the basis of an outright lie (that your vote didn’t count so you didn’t care).

Well, part of it was committing to the act so I could try to draw a kill. I was thinking about things but most of what I was considering got turned on its head by the Dargo and Sabi flips.

I’ll hopefully be able to review more later, but I think rivera is scummy and I think mafia would totally swap the bomb onto their own so I’m currently like 75%+ on snowy being scum.

i’ll let you work as to the rest, but i have to know why the fuck you would think you would draw a kill as a no voter who is using the no vote as an excuse not to care lol. you might as well have a neon sign on your beanie saying “I’M NOT A THREAT LEAVE ME ALONE”

[Bonatogether]

1. we have the capacity to find out and the apparent inability to do it.

2. Snowy’s actions today are completely colored by Byz’s actions yesterday - such a scenario is not imaginable because players don’t pop into existence on day 2. snowy’s actions can only be viewed in the context of what byz decided to put in thread. in addition, snowy’s posts are not exactly pure - there’s a strong element of self-preservation (possible to come from town with a desire to play, yes), and at the end of the day, in large part due to shit snowy did, he wound up living to n2.

I think this fundamentally comes down to the strength of confidence we have in our opinions on Byz’s alignment. If your level of confidence is “Byz scumclaimed” then I can see why you would find basically anything snowy said or did not to mean much, because I agree that he hasn’t done anything he can’t have done as mafia. I just don’t share your level of confidence. I just feel like I’ve seen way too many people, me far from least among them, who should know better than to double down on stupid but still do it out of pride. And with that heightened uncertainty I’m more inclined to look on just snowy’s actions and I’m moved by them. I think outing that you’re actually the deathbomb—which appears vindicated by Sabi’s flip—is kind of crazy to do if you’re mafia and it’s looked like your death is a foregone conclusion. I think he was actually trying to help us figure it out as D2 went on and particularly as he invested more time into catching up.

That’s where I’m at on it. I doubt you’ll find much of it persuasive at all, and I could easily be wrong about snowy obviously.

it's hard because we don't have byz here to give us some elaboration.

it's not hard to imagine a world (tinfoil) where scum!snowy saw a chance to live and ran with it. him living as a somewhat townread figure (or somewhat scumread but not dead) benefits scum by either letting him get through or through wasting townie brainpower arguing.

[pyxxy]

@Neon, I'm looking in your D2 list and I can't find it.
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... ess%20Neon

Would you mind telling me the exact name that was on your nametag when you peeked during D2 and saw that it was vanilla?

I'm adverse to revealing anything because I come from a forum where talking about even Flavor names is illegal due to how Flavor is used in our games

So for clarification I won't get in trouble for outing the flavor name on my tag?

No, other people have already done it and it was okay. The issue with Rumi was posting the entire PM from Demon.

I just want the name that you were told, if you don't mind.

[pyxxy]

@Chaqa, feel free to ignore this question and pretend you just missed this post if you think it's in town's best interests to do so.

So you have not peeked yet?

[ghug]

@Chaqa, feel free to ignore this question and pretend you just missed this post if you think it's in town's best interests to do so.

So you have not peeked yet?

I order Chaqa to answer this at EoN.

[President Eden]

@Chaqa, feel free to ignore this question and pretend you just missed this post if you think it's in town's best interests to do so.

So you have not peeked yet?

I order Chaqa to answer this at EoN.

motion granted by order of this Court

[President Eden]

1. we have the capacity to find out and the apparent inability to do it.

2. Snowy’s actions today are completely colored by Byz’s actions yesterday - such a scenario is not imaginable because players don’t pop into existence on day 2. snowy’s actions can only be viewed in the context of what byz decided to put in thread. in addition, snowy’s posts are not exactly pure - there’s a strong element of self-preservation (possible to come from town with a desire to play, yes), and at the end of the day, in large part due to shit snowy did, he wound up living to n2.

I think this fundamentally comes down to the strength of confidence we have in our opinions on Byz’s alignment. If your level of confidence is “Byz scumclaimed” then I can see why you would find basically anything snowy said or did not to mean much, because I agree that he hasn’t done anything he can’t have done as mafia. I just don’t share your level of confidence. I just feel like I’ve seen way too many people, me far from least among them, who should know better than to double down on stupid but still do it out of pride. And with that heightened uncertainty I’m more inclined to look on just snowy’s actions and I’m moved by them. I think outing that you’re actually the deathbomb—which appears vindicated by Sabi’s flip—is kind of crazy to do if you’re mafia and it’s looked like your death is a foregone conclusion. I think he was actually trying to help us figure it out as D2 went on and particularly as he invested more time into catching up.

That’s where I’m at on it. I doubt you’ll find much of it persuasive at all, and I could easily be wrong about snowy obviously.

it's hard because we don't have byz here to give us some elaboration.

it's not hard to imagine a world (tinfoil) where scum!snowy saw a chance to live and ran with it. him living as a somewhat townread figure (or somewhat scumread but not dead) benefits scum by either letting him get through or through wasting townie brainpower arguing.

I think that’s more reasonable than tinfoil but I would still set the odds of it coming from mafia as low. The issue with outing the deathbomb as mafia is your exact reaction to it: “oh, a questionable slot has our bomb? let’s be sure to dispose of it now while we can.” Or even “let’s try to get a 2-for-1” like Rumi was thinking with Chaqa. You have to be Hela confident it’ll work, and sure if that describes anyone here it’s snowy, but that just seems like such a huge ask to me. Can’t say it didn’t happen of course.

[President Eden]

**hella, but I’m kind of down with that

[Bonatogether]

Aug 21, 2022
2 | Avg. Guesses: 6.45
= 8

#globle

maniac larping

[pyxxy]

Another fun part about the Deathbomb is there's no guarantee that, and forgive if I need to shut up during the night, that the Cop doesn't scan Snowy tonight and swap nametags with him. So mafia has to make a bet that that won't happen.

Doctor could also heal Snowy tonight and swap the tag away...although that would be a very Dr. Nick kind of doctor.

If mafia wants to play it safe, they can BD the Deathbomb tag to another member. But then of course there's the risk that whoever they swap it to gets scanned/healed.

I think I'm thawing on the idea that the Deathbomb tag will freeze us, and that if we want to kill Snowy tomorrow, it shouldn't stop us. Although we should still care about the second place wagon, just in case.

[President Eden]

I think my pool is bo, Chaqa, ghug, Neon, rivera, Vecna. This is less out of outright suspicion and more because I have reasons that I feel good about the rest being town.

[ghug]

Another fun part about the Deathbomb is there's no guarantee that, and forgive if I need to shut up during the night, that the Cop doesn't scan Snowy tonight and swap nametags with him. So mafia has to make a bet that that won't happen.

Doctor could also heal Snowy tonight and swap the tag away...although that would be a very Dr. Nick kind of doctor.

If mafia wants to play it safe, they can BD the Deathbomb tag to another member. But then of course there's the risk that whoever they swap it to gets scanned/healed.

I think I'm thawing on the idea that the Deathbomb tag will freeze us, and that if we want to kill Snowy tomorrow, it shouldn't stop us. Although we should still care about the second place wagon, just in case.

I encourage you to think these thoughts and speak them in the AM.

[ghug]

I think my pool is bo, Chaqa, ghug, Neon, rivera, Vecna. This is less out of outright suspicion and more because I have reasons that I feel good about the rest being town.

I think I don't want Neon (or me lol) in this group and do want Bona and then there's probably one or maybe two in the group between them and the worcej, Rumi, celaph, Jamie supertowns.

I haven't had the energy to go over EoD yet.

[Princess Neon]

I'm adverse to revealing anything because I come from a forum where talking about even Flavor names is illegal due to how Flavor is used in our games

So for clarification I won't get in trouble for outing the flavor name on my tag?

No, other people have already done it and it was okay. The issue with Rumi was posting the entire PM from Demon.

I just want the name that you were told, if you don't mind.

Harry Calahan

[Princess Neon]

Another fun part about the Deathbomb is there's no guarantee that, and forgive if I need to shut up during the night, that the Cop doesn't scan Snowy tonight and swap nametags with him. So mafia has to make a bet that that won't happen.

Doctor could also heal Snowy tonight and swap the tag away...although that would be a very Dr. Nick kind of doctor.

If mafia wants to play it safe, they can BD the Deathbomb tag to another member. But then of course there's the risk that whoever they swap it to gets scanned/healed.

I think I'm thawing on the idea that the Deathbomb tag will freeze us, and that if we want to kill Snowy tomorrow, it shouldn't stop us. Although we should still care about the second place wagon, just in case.

Actual stupid question that I'm not totally invested in

If we just ran snowy up and hammered him without a second wagon would the death bomb even go off?

I know it's likely impossible because snowy will likely vote for someone pr one of his scum buds will... just something random I've been thinking about lol

[Princess Neon]

I'm also just not sure I believe the claim anyways but I've been wondering about that mechanically for a while lol

[ghug]

Another fun part about the Deathbomb is there's no guarantee that, and forgive if I need to shut up during the night, that the Cop doesn't scan Snowy tonight and swap nametags with him. So mafia has to make a bet that that won't happen.

Doctor could also heal Snowy tonight and swap the tag away...although that would be a very Dr. Nick kind of doctor.

If mafia wants to play it safe, they can BD the Deathbomb tag to another member. But then of course there's the risk that whoever they swap it to gets scanned/healed.

I think I'm thawing on the idea that the Deathbomb tag will freeze us, and that if we want to kill Snowy tomorrow, it shouldn't stop us. Although we should still care about the second place wagon, just in case.

Actual stupid question that I'm not totally invested in

If we just ran snowy up and hammered him without a second wagon would the death bomb even go off?

I know it's likely impossible because snowy will likely vote for someone pr one of his scum buds will... just something random I've been thinking about lol

Demon said in signups if there's a tie for second, it's the one that got to the vote total earlier, but he didn't actually clarify the zero-vote case.

##CALLGM since you don't have enough shit to deal with and this is clearly very important

[ghug]

I'm also just not sure I believe the claim anyways but I've been wondering about that mechanically for a while lol

Well, Sabi didn't have it...