MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[Bonatogether]

I kinda think the team is Chaqa, possibly Neon but possibly not idk, and then lurkers

explique

[Chaqa]

Anyway where I'm currently at is:
Bonatogether
bo_sox48
snowy801
celaph
Chaqa
ghug
Jamiet99uk
President Eden
Princess Neon
pyxxy
rdrivera2005
Rumi Tobari
Vecna
worcej

[Bonatogether]

zzz

get punked nerd

the ship ran aground while you were sightseeing, any chance this means you’re back to help us get her out into water again?

im ready to win

[Chaqa]

Wait fuck I forgot to un-blue my teammates.

Crap

[Bonatogether]

Nametag info update:

ALONZO HARRIS - Scan as GUILTY, dead with sabi

worcej currently has 0xVote

Chaqa and President Eden were both in the initial 2xVote pool along with Bona, so Bona for sure no longer has it if he ever did.

Might be worth analyzing when Chaqa was avoiding the nametag questions and if him having the 2xVote would have lead to a...surprise result.

shaddup

I think this level of analysis is fine for night. Scum will do it too. Might as well get it out there.

i have no idea how the pyx got to it sooo

[President Eden]

get punked nerd

the ship ran aground while you were sightseeing, any chance this means you’re back to help us get her out into water again?

im ready to win

good because I’m lost

[ghug]

shaddup

I think this level of analysis is fine for night. Scum will do it too. Might as well get it out there.

i have no idea how the pyx got to it sooo

Ah, I'm sure school will teach you to read soon.

[Bonatogether]

I think this level of analysis is fine for night. Scum will do it too. Might as well get it out there.

i have no idea how the pyx got to it sooo

Ah, I'm sure school will teach you to read soon.

hope so

maybe i'll read the setup then

[ghug]

i have no idea how the pyx got to it sooo

Ah, I'm sure school will teach you to read soon.

hope so

maybe i'll read the setup then

Better uses of your time, I think.

[Bonatogether]

Sabi isn’t the best counter wagon here, but I feel like snowy has been townier over the past day by a long shot. Still up to speedwagon rdr, but ##vote Sabi

casually ignoring byz. rip

you know, this is rich coming from me, but it would be nice for you to explain precisely how Byz scumclaimed, because on a lot of reflection it seems very plausible to me that he simply let his ego get the better of him as town.

because from here, with no prior experience with him, I don’t actually see how you can be 100% sure. and you’ve already acknowledged, if I understand right, that snowy has been fairly townie.

ok so 1) it was some exaggeration but 2) i do firmly believe that the two things i flagged as scumclaims were wildly scummy anyways

post uno

town ego players are this fucking site. every game here has like at least 5. no claims to innocence here but i think i'm at least somewhat better (no snide comments please). to claim that byz was simply egoposting does not ring true to me, especially with my previous experience with him. he's not stupid, and from what I understand, his basic given reasoning is typical of not-here places (ie, bad lol), but even within that framework, it simply isn't true. egotistical players don't bullshit like that, only puff up themselves.

post deux

similar story here. i don't understand what town could view your d1 activities as easily dismissible

read that acknowledgement again. snowy has LOOKED fine but he's imaginably scum. Snowy does not merit a townread for his own actions, and his predecessor staked his position out pretty clearly.

[Bonatogether]

the ship ran aground while you were sightseeing, any chance this means you’re back to help us get her out into water again?

im ready to win

good because I’m lost

so true

[Bonatogether]

Ah, I'm sure school will teach you to read soon.

hope so

maybe i'll read the setup then

Better uses of your time, I think.

exactly. i could just vote snowy and win that way

[President Eden]

casually ignoring byz. rip

you know, this is rich coming from me, but it would be nice for you to explain precisely how Byz scumclaimed, because on a lot of reflection it seems very plausible to me that he simply let his ego get the better of him as town.

because from here, with no prior experience with him, I don’t actually see how you can be 100% sure. and you’ve already acknowledged, if I understand right, that snowy has been fairly townie.

ok so 1) it was some exaggeration but 2) i do firmly believe that the two things i flagged as scumclaims were wildly scummy anyways

post uno

town ego players are this fucking site. every game here has like at least 5. no claims to innocence here but i think i’m at least somewhat better (no snide comments please). to claim that byz was simply egoposting does not ring true to me, especially with my previous experience with him. he’s not stupid, and from what I understand, his basic given reasoning is typical of not-here places (ie, bad lol), but even within that framework, it simply isn’t true. egotistical players don’t bullshit like that, only puff up themselves.

post deux

similar story here. i don’t understand what town could view your d1 activities as easily dismissible

read that acknowledgement again. snowy has LOOKED fine but he’s imaginably scum. Snowy does not merit a townread for his own actions, and his predecessor staked his position out pretty clearly.

Two thoughts.

1. You’ll certainly get no disagreement from me that Byz’s posts were BS and should only come from mafia intentionally doubling down on audacity to get through the day. I don’t know that they do. Even generally smart people who mean well can find themselves inanely doubling down on their mistakes. And given that we don’t have the benefit of knowing who is acting in good faith and simply having a one-man clown fiesta moment and who is mafia making a play, I would agree that putting the onus on Byz to sort himself for us, and killing him when he failed, was fine. But when he subbed out, and we get the benefit of someone else in the slot who isn’t ego-invested in past positions, the need for that is reduced.

2. Relatedly, I am surprised you don’t think snowy merits a townread for his own actions, unless I’m misunderstanding you. Let’s say we had done what Neon had talked about and given snowy a completely clean slate. Or better, let’s say snowy was an 18th player with his own role who had some verifiable IRL emergency that completely prevented him from participating day 1 at all, and he made his first appearance at the start of n1. You wouldn’t have him as a townread? I can definitely understand why you might feel any town sentiment toward him is outweighed by prior issues with his predecessor, but that’s different (to me) from saying he doesn’t merit one for his own actions.

[President Eden]

Wait fuck I forgot to un-blue my teammates.

Crap

my regret for marshaling onto sabi and not just yeeting you for the lulz grows stronger with every post

[Bonatogether]

you know, this is rich coming from me, but it would be nice for you to explain precisely how Byz scumclaimed, because on a lot of reflection it seems very plausible to me that he simply let his ego get the better of him as town.

because from here, with no prior experience with him, I don’t actually see how you can be 100% sure. and you’ve already acknowledged, if I understand right, that snowy has been fairly townie.

ok so 1) it was some exaggeration but 2) i do firmly believe that the two things i flagged as scumclaims were wildly scummy anyways

post uno

town ego players are this fucking site. every game here has like at least 5. no claims to innocence here but i think i’m at least somewhat better (no snide comments please). to claim that byz was simply egoposting does not ring true to me, especially with my previous experience with him. he’s not stupid, and from what I understand, his basic given reasoning is typical of not-here places (ie, bad lol), but even within that framework, it simply isn’t true. egotistical players don’t bullshit like that, only puff up themselves.

post deux

similar story here. i don’t understand what town could view your d1 activities as easily dismissible

read that acknowledgement again. snowy has LOOKED fine but he’s imaginably scum. Snowy does not merit a townread for his own actions, and his predecessor staked his position out pretty clearly.

Two thoughts.

1. You’ll certainly get no disagreement from me that Byz’s posts were BS and should only come from mafia intentionally doubling down on audacity to get through the day. I don’t know that they do. Even generally smart people who mean well can find themselves inanely doubling down on their mistakes. And given that we don’t have the benefit of knowing who is acting in good faith and simply having a one-man clown fiesta moment and who is mafia making a play, I would agree that putting the onus on Byz to sort himself for us, and killing him when he failed, was fine. But when he subbed out, and we get the benefit of someone else in the slot who isn’t ego-invested in past positions, the need for that is reduced.

2. Relatedly, I am surprised you don’t think snowy merits a townread for his own actions, unless I’m misunderstanding you. Let’s say we had done what Neon had talked about and given snowy a completely clean slate. Or better, let’s say snowy was an 18th player with his own role who had some verifiable IRL emergency that completely prevented him from participating day 1 at all, and he made his first appearance at the start of n1. You wouldn’t have him as a townread? I can definitely understand why you might feel any town sentiment toward him is outweighed by prior issues with his predecessor, but that’s different (to me) from saying he doesn’t merit one for his own actions.

1. we have the capacity to find out and the apparent inability to do it.

2. Snowy's actions today are completely colored by Byz's actions yesterday - such a scenario is not imaginable because players don't pop into existence on day 2. snowy's actions can only be viewed in the context of what byz decided to put in thread. in addition, snowy's posts are not exactly pure - there's a strong element of self-preservation (possible to come from town with a desire to play, yes), and at the end of the day, in large part due to shit snowy did, he wound up living to n2.

[Chaqa]

Wait fuck I forgot to un-blue my teammates.

Crap

my regret for marshaling onto sabi and not just yeeting you for the lulz grows stronger with every post

yeah but also it's me

Remember that time you didn't believe my bad crumbs

and also that time I was the Cop. lol

[President Eden]

1. we have the capacity to find out and the apparent inability to do it.

2. Snowy’s actions today are completely colored by Byz’s actions yesterday - such a scenario is not imaginable because players don’t pop into existence on day 2. snowy’s actions can only be viewed in the context of what byz decided to put in thread. in addition, snowy’s posts are not exactly pure - there’s a strong element of self-preservation (possible to come from town with a desire to play, yes), and at the end of the day, in large part due to shit snowy did, he wound up living to n2.

I think this fundamentally comes down to the strength of confidence we have in our opinions on Byz’s alignment. If your level of confidence is “Byz scumclaimed” then I can see why you would find basically anything snowy said or did not to mean much, because I agree that he hasn’t done anything he can’t have done as mafia. I just don’t share your level of confidence. I just feel like I’ve seen way too many people, me far from least among them, who should know better than to double down on stupid but still do it out of pride. And with that heightened uncertainty I’m more inclined to look on just snowy’s actions and I’m moved by them. I think outing that you’re actually the deathbomb—which appears vindicated by Sabi’s flip—is kind of crazy to do if you’re mafia and it’s looked like your death is a foregone conclusion. I think he was actually trying to help us figure it out as D2 went on and particularly as he invested more time into catching up.

That’s where I’m at on it. I doubt you’ll find much of it persuasive at all, and I could easily be wrong about snowy obviously.

Wait fuck I forgot to un-blue my teammates.

Crap

my regret for marshaling onto sabi and not just yeeting you for the lulz grows stronger with every post

yeah but also it’s me

Remember that time you didn’t believe my bad crumbs

and also that time I was the Cop. lol

I don’t understand the connection here

[Chaqa]

Oh, I read that last post of yours as meaning "I don't believe any of this and it's all cap so I wish I had voted you out" though I think now you meant it more like "you're being annoying and not helpful"??

[President Eden]

Oh, I read that last post of yours as meaning “I don’t believe any of this and it’s all cap so I wish I had voted you out” though I think now you meant it more like “you’re being annoying and not helpful”??

That’s like half right. Annoying is a bit harsh, but you’ve now got a chance to go through what I think was the most impactful 12 hours or so of the game yet. So it’d be nice to get some real thoughts, particularly when you demurred on doing so earlier on the basis of an outright lie (that your vote didn’t count so you didn’t care).

[pyxxy]

Celaph always moves his vote to its true location within an hour of EOD.

Callllllllllled it. Kind of a layup though.

fact check says: FALSE

celaph voted sabi at t-0:04

imnot owned im not ownd