MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[Rumi Tobari]

Don’t play like you don’t clearly understand the demeaning effect of referring to it as a “tunnel,” which is very commonly understood to be an irrational, ill-founded push that ignores exonerating evidence.

I actually didn't know it was meant to be this demeaning. I just figured it meant I was doing something wrong.

[Rumi Tobari]

Don’t play like you don’t clearly understand the demeaning effect of referring to it as a “tunnel,” which is very commonly understood to be an irrational, ill-founded push that ignores exonerating evidence.

I actually didn't know it was meant to be this demeaning. I just figured it meant I was doing something wrong.

quotes suuuuck x.x

[President Eden]

It’s referring to “having tunnel vision,” meaning that if you are tunneling, then for a number of possible reasons, you are dead-set committed on a theory of the case despite the presence of evidence to the contrary, and you are ignoring that evidence or not properly qualifying why that contrary evidence doesn’t matter.

Describing something as a tunnel isn’t per se demeaning—ghug stated that he believed I was tunneling on Byz to some degree, and he wasn’t being demeaning about it at all—but when one person is clearly earnestly explaining things and being cautious about conclusions, and the other responds with a one-off accusation of tunneling and no meaningful engagement, it comes off as demeaning to me.

[Jamiet99uk]

Actually on this note, Jamie you jumped all over rdrivera the moment I exposed an opportunity, but you were also a leader on Byz all of day 1. Has your read on byz/snowy changed so much that you feel rdr is “down to rights” as I believe you said?

No I still think Byz/Snow is likely scum tbh.

Assuming Byz/snowy is scum, why would scum rdrivera not participate in EOD with the chance to look good?

He was driving and wants to spend time with his family.

[Jamiet99uk]

I lose interest in a game without night chat

Especially since a lot of other sites have 48 hour night cycles

Most sites are 12 or 24 hour nights lately. Only mafia scum is 48 hours. Because they are weirdos.

Both games I played on Mafia Universe had 14-day Day Phases

[snowy801]

I lose interest in a game without night chat

Especially since a lot of other sites have 48 hour night cycles

Most sites are 12 or 24 hour nights lately. Only mafia scum is 48 hours. Because they are weirdos.

Both games I played on Mafia Universe had 14-day Day Phases

bruh

[celaph]

RIP damo

I think we need to seriously consider that pyxxy was trying to cause a tie there.

Likely the opposite. I think Pyxxy's vote going through decreases the chance of a tie by ensuring the number of people with relevant votes is odd. Assuming his vote goes through, we can only tie if one of the vote changing tags is off the wagons and the other is on the right wagon to make a difference. As for why he didn't vote earlier, I'm not entirely sure. @Pyxxy, if you haven't said already, why didn't you vote earlier?

One random thought is if Pyxxy and Byz are scum, does Pyxxy intentionally vote just after the deadline so that he can 'vote' for scum knowing his vote will be invalid?

[Vecna]

Great contribution.

Anyway I like this excerise. Helps figure out world building and if your reads make sense or not

Okay everyone. Let's all shut the fuck up. Because this is not productive at all.

I was wrong for having opinions. Like always before the banhammer drops. I apologize. I won't do it again.

Instead of doing this petty thing where we back and forth. Lets actually discuss relevent shit. Admittedly my only example of relevence is where the fuck was rdr at tiebreak?

If I were going to ban you for having opinions I would have to ban productive members of our site that have opinions such as Mapleleaf, Draugnar, Tettleton’s Chew, and ghug

ghug has opinions?

[President Eden]

I think I buy rivera just being busy and driving at EOD. I’m pretty sure I’m stealing this thought from somebody else but can’t be fucked to look up who—but someone said that if he were mafia, he would know the alignments of the wagons and know where he needed his vote to be, so he wouldn’t just randomly check in and then not move his vote unless his vote were right where it needed to be from the mafia’s perspective. I don’t see any inherent reason why his explanation is implausible. It doesn’t have to be true, but it passes the BS test to me

[Vecna]

goddamn i spotted a snowy in the wild

[Rumi Tobari]

One random thought is if Pyxxy and Byz are scum, does Pyxxy intentionally vote just after the deadline so that he can 'vote' for scum knowing his vote will be invalid?

This kind of thinking is why earlier (like in the page 80 or so range) I mentioned I was more incliend to trust you vs damo or Pyx, despite your relative lack of posting, it felt like you were adding value with your posts, whereas theirs didn't feel like they were.

[ghug]

RIP damo

I think we need to seriously consider that pyxxy was trying to cause a tie there.

Likely the opposite. I think Pyxxy's vote going through decreases the chance of a tie by ensuring the number of people with relevant votes is odd. Assuming his vote goes through, we can only tie if one of the vote changing tags is off the wagons and the other is on the right wagon to make a difference. As for why he didn't vote earlier, I'm not entirely sure. @Pyxxy, if you haven't said already, why didn't you vote earlier?

One random thought is if Pyxxy and Byz are scum, does Pyxxy intentionally vote just after the deadline so that he can 'vote' for scum knowing his vote will be invalid?

This is less true with the vote altering nametags and a third of people on vanity wagons. It undoes any potential pile-on.

I did consider the fake bus possibility, but ultimately I don't think that's likely to garner any cred, and it's quite the thing to come up with under pressure and with votes flying, so I don't think it's that likely.

[bo_sox48]

Americans are fucking tame drivers and everyone knows it.

maybe on beta west coast

just recently i got passed in the right hand lane while going 75 in a 55

Sounds like Chicago lol

I was doing 80 in a 55 and someone absolutely rocketed past me I decided to speed up to see how fast they were going. 125 BTW lol

that was me

[bo_sox48]

Besharam is either mafia or whipped hard

or both

[Rumi Tobari]

One random thought is if Pyxxy and Byz are scum, does Pyxxy intentionally vote just after the deadline so that he can 'vote' for scum knowing his vote will be invalid?

This kind of thinking is why earlier (like in the page 80 or so range) I mentioned I was more incliend to trust you vs damo or Pyx, despite your relative lack of posting, it felt like you were adding value with your posts, whereas theirs didn't feel like they were.

On the subject of adding value, I went over Neon's posts and she feels active and here, but not particularly in the value column. (at least from my own subjective interpretation) Sabi by contrast, actually feels like they are attempting to contribute value in theirs.

Also, speaking of damo, damo had some back and forth with Neon and seemed to think Neon scumslipped at one point. Given that damo turned out to be town, I'm curious if this was just some kind of meme, or if it reflects on Neon.

@Damo666: Are you arguing that President Eden and Princess Neon are scum together?

If yes, why do you think that?

If no, why are you voting for Princess Neon?

No.
N/a.
Partly the scumslip, mostly for giggles.

Or, and sorry about this Eden, if damo was actually referring to you. This was during the whole Neon and Eden are the same person thing.

[bo_sox48]

No I still think Byz/Snow is likely scum tbh.

Assuming Byz/snowy is scum, why would scum rdrivera not participate in EOD with the chance to look good?

He was driving and wants to spend time with his family.

You therefore do not think this, which you said an hour ago?

By the way, post edits or not, Bo_Sox has Rdrivera bang to rights here.

Rdrivera said he'd be around at EoD to break a tie if that was a risk.

There was a tie, or the risk of a tie, in the last few minutes to EoD.

Rdrivera was around at EoD.

Rdrivera did nothing to attempt to break the tie.

Plain, indisputable facts.

It is a pretty big flip flop to go from “bang to rights” (I thought the phrase was dead to rights but whatever) and “plain, indisputable facts” to thinking that his justification for failing to contribute to EOD was completely valid. And all it took was me pointing out that my assertion only holds water if Byz/snowy is scum, which you believe and I do not.

[Jamiet99uk]

Assuming Byz/snowy is scum, why would scum rdrivera not participate in EOD with the chance to look good?

He was driving and wants to spend time with his family.

You therefore do not think this, which you said an hour ago?

By the way, post edits or not, Bo_Sox has Rdrivera bang to rights here.

Rdrivera said he'd be around at EoD to break a tie if that was a risk.

There was a tie, or the risk of a tie, in the last few minutes to EoD.

Rdrivera was around at EoD.

Rdrivera did nothing to attempt to break the tie.

Plain, indisputable facts.

It is a pretty big flip flop to go from “bang to rights” (I thought the phrase was dead to rights but whatever) and “plain, indisputable facts” to thinking that his justification for failing to contribute to EOD was completely valid. And all it took was me pointing out that my assertion only holds water if Byz/snowy is scum, which you believe and I do not.

You're so serious. Calm down Jamie.

Ok so I actually think, to be honest, that you've exposed a strange inconsistency in Rdr's behaviour, whatever the reason. I would speculate that he was paralysed by indecision and didn't want to be seen saving a team mate?

[bo_sox48]

Okay everyone. Let's all shut the fuck up. Because this is not productive at all.

I was wrong for having opinions. Like always before the banhammer drops. I apologize. I won't do it again.

Instead of doing this petty thing where we back and forth. Lets actually discuss relevent shit. Admittedly my only example of relevence is where the fuck was rdr at tiebreak?

If I were going to ban you for having opinions I would have to ban productive members of our site that have opinions such as Mapleleaf, Draugnar, Tettleton’s Chew, and ghug

ghug has opinions?

After I asked ghug to be an admin with me he told me he preferred oatmeal raisin over chocolate chip. That was the final straw

[bo_sox48]

I think I buy rivera just being busy and driving at EOD. I’m pretty sure I’m stealing this thought from somebody else but can’t be fucked to look up who—but someone said that if he were mafia, he would know the alignments of the wagons and know where he needed his vote to be, so he wouldn’t just randomly check in and then not move his vote unless his vote were right where it needed to be from the mafia’s perspective. I don’t see any inherent reason why his explanation is implausible. It doesn’t have to be true, but it passes the BS test to me

What are your thoughts on Jamie and if I remember right pyxxy immediately jumping on board after I presented the case?

[pyxxy]

RIP damo

I think we need to seriously consider that pyxxy was trying to cause a tie there.

Likely the opposite. I think Pyxxy's vote going through decreases the chance of a tie by ensuring the number of people with relevant votes is odd. Assuming his vote goes through, we can only tie if one of the vote changing tags is off the wagons and the other is on the right wagon to make a difference. As for why he didn't vote earlier, I'm not entirely sure. @Pyxxy, if you haven't said already, why didn't you vote earlier?

One random thought is if Pyxxy and Byz are scum, does Pyxxy intentionally vote just after the deadline so that he can 'vote' for scum knowing his vote will be invalid?

Hi Celaph!

I wrote a partial explanation somewhere in the beginning of N1 but I refreshed and saw it wasn't tied, posted about not moving then refreshed my bot tab and the bot said it was tied, so I tried to rush back to the thread to vote to avoid a tie but the bot didn't have Vecna's re-re-flip yet