MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

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I will call a little more attention to my observation on Byz’s behavior toward Sabi so it’s not lost in the back-and-forth.

Byz ISO: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... 1&user=Byz

Sabi is mentioned 14 times. Aside from this one odd out-of-place post which he never follows up on…

Sabi, are you pocketing me btw?

…Byz never really expresses an opinion of Sabi’s alignment. Yet Byz speaks with almost implicit and assumed trust that Sabi is on his team. Byz is now outright sheeping Sabi onto damo, having expressed no opinion on damo or Sabi prior to now which would make sense of that decision. Why is that?

Obviously, their out-of-game familiarity has to be considered. Sabi invited Byz to play here, and aside from Bona, Sabi is the only player here that I believe Byz knew before the game. So you’d expect some camaraderie and lessened suspicion to start.

But Sabi has been under some scrutiny this phase (albeit mostly about play style and not alignment per se). Byz didn’t address any of it. Byz hasn’t ever given a read on Sabi one way or the other.

I don’t know that any of this reflects on Sabi necessarily, but it’s a very curious progression by Byz.

iso considered harmful

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With just over 3 hours left, these people should probably move their votes:

damo666
bo_sox48
Rumi Tobari
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Vecna

Interesting that you want to consolidate on the current candidates when we don't have any very large wagons. Why is that?

[dargorygel]

Eden... could you point out in small words where byz claims his vote for yiu was solely a meme thing... and define what that means for an old man?

[Jamiet99uk]

iso considered harmful

Why do you keep saying "iso considered harmful" ?

[President Eden]

Easy to read with minimal ability to accurately read others doesn’t make it easy to contribute anything constructive though.

I know this will sound hollow, but making yourself easily townreadable is actually the single most important thing anyone can do in this game. The only info each townie has is which side they’re on, and the townies win every time if they can all identify who is on their side. So making it clear that you’re town is the #1 goal, way more than all the glory hog stuff like catching mafia or using any powers from your role effectively or any of that crap. Just being genuinely you and letting people see that you’re town because of it is the goal.

But isn’t playing a good scum game about being as close to your town-self as possible?

And so isn’t the meta strategy to have these two selves overlap quite a bit so that you can play whichever side you are?

Unless you consider the fact that one will much more often be town than mafia (unless you’re Celaph) and so we should all be overlapping with a weight towards true town behavior. Idk just stuff I’m been chewing on since I played so poorly in the last game :/

Closely mirroring your town self can sometimes be a good avenue to winning as mafia, but it’s not the goal unto itself. After all, if your town self knew the mafia team, you’d be running them all up, but you don’t want to mirror what your town self would do in your situation to that degree!

Mafia play is really amorphous if you’re actually playing the role to its full potential… you are basically reacting to whatever the town is doing, and trying to steer them away from the right answers just long enough to win. Sometimes that means “going deep” and working really hard to get townread and even sacrificing your teammates as necessary. Sometimes that means getting your hands dirty and being under the gun all game or perhaps even going down, for the sake of setting a narrative that benefits the rest of your team.

You obviously don’t want to be too wildly divergent from town to mafia play lest you get caught every time, but there’s a ton of nuance to how much you lean into expectations set for your town play and how much you do other stuff.

[pyxxy]

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I like high stakes death games and gambles, I'd be terrible at them, but its a lifestyle i've always wanted to live. I Want to live out the plot of Gambling Apocalypse Kaiji meets Kakegurui meets Liar Game.
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O.O someone else who has watched Kakegurui O.O

[Chaqa]

I don’t get why you guys are ignoring gin Rumi’s scumslip.

cuz I don’t think it was really one

and also, have you seen the rest of her posts?

Yeah, they've been a mixed bag tbh

[Vecna]

That's probably why you're the easiest person in this game to read. Keep it up until you roll scum with me as your teammate someday, then fix it

Easy to read with minimal ability to accurately read others doesn't make it easy to contribute anything constructive though.

eh, thats sorta my schtick. keep it up, you'll go places (nowhere you wanna be, but eh)

[Jamiet99uk]

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With just over 3 hours left, these people should probably move their votes:

damo666
bo_sox48
Rumi Tobari
ghug
Vecna

Interesting that you want to consolidate on the current candidates when we don't have any very large wagons. Why is that?

There's not a lot of time left and it does not appear likely that any of those one-vote wagons will take off. Unlikely we'll [redact] Bona or Sabi today.

Bo_Sox has moved now.

[ghug]

What do you find suspicious about it?

partner is chilling worst was the sinus headache phase early on

The "wait a second, [new information]" schtick felt contrived.

My whole sequence there was contrived, no? I literally put Sabi in timeout so that I could ask about their behavior without them interrupting or diverting the thread onto a different topic XD

Yes, and if you'd been stoned or something it would have made sense. As is it's too showy.

[Chaqa]

Chaqa if you legitimately think Rumi scumslipped why haven't you tried to vote for them? Your vote and mine would have made Rumi a real wagon overnight.

TIL "##Vote gin Rumi" haven't been registering as real votes.

[Jamiet99uk]

Kek, apparently you can't alter the size of someone's name in the quote header.

[Jamiet99uk]

Chaqa if you legitimately think Rumi scumslipped why haven't you tried to vote for them? Your vote and mine would have made Rumi a real wagon overnight.

TIL "##Vote gin Rumi" haven't been registering as real votes.

Of course it wouldn't.

Your vote is still on me, you oaf.

[dargorygel]

@byz
Your reaction to votes on you is unusual. Particularly you laughed at Jamie's vote. Why?

[Chaqa]

Your constant skepticism of this (which I already explained) is why I heavily think you're town.

Fine I'm scum. Vote me off the island. Happy end.

sigh...

I dont know how else to react to this. It is a problem with my personality rather than my ability to play the game. Self-control on my flippant tendencies is really really hard.

My issue with the posts like this is that I don't believe they're genuine. Too many people have pulled this playstyle in the past, including myself, Sabi, and others, so while it may be genuine, I'm not really willing to just accept that outright.

[pyxxy]

The "wait a second, [new information]" schtick felt contrived.

My whole sequence there was contrived, no? I literally put Sabi in timeout so that I could ask about their behavior without them interrupting or diverting the thread onto a different topic XD

Yes, and if you'd been stoned or something it would have made sense. As is it's too showy.

Oh. Okay. Noted.

[ghug]

Interesting that the webDip forum counts time as having begun on January 1st 1970 at 12:00.

I wonder why that is?

Maybe Kestas is hosting the site on a very old computer.

It's the UNIX standard.

[Chaqa]

The degree to which Chaqa and Jamie are following each other around like lost children is intriguing to me and I think they should both be wagons ##VOTE Chaqa

This doesn't make any sense to me as we haven't voted together and in fact have voted FOR each other a lot. I don't feel like I've even interacted with him that much outside of memes.

[Chaqa]

I don't get why you guys are ignoring gin Rumi's scumslip.

since when do you believe in scumslips?

this feels like a pretty big divergence from how you view the game

Since always?

[Chaqa]

Chaqa if you legitimately think Rumi scumslipped why haven't you tried to vote for them? Your vote and mine would have made Rumi a real wagon overnight.

TIL "##Vote gin Rumi" haven't been registering as real votes.

Of course it wouldn't.

Your vote is still on me, you oaf.

Well, that I knew.