Tiny Hunt I Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

It's incredibly scummy to want to rely on the judge and consequently not have to explain who you want to lynch. If we're really in a bind for some reason later in the day, maybe it can be considered, but it's stupid and scummy to do it now.

damo, why am I your preference for the lynch? Explain your vibes.

How is it scummy to consider it? I would argue that saying it is bad is even MORE scummy because it takes away any influence the scum could have on the lynch and puts it into town hands. Isn’t that actually more desired because we know the kill is a townie pulling it off?

Do you think we should let the Judge decide the lynch today? What is your opinion on activating the Vig? Have you considered ND could be the Judge?

[bozotheclown]

Bozo says:

↑Jamiet99uk: "Wanna lynch ND then?

I can't think of a useful thing ND has done."

ND has not posted in over a day. I think lynching a lurker is a reasonable option.

Then Jamie votes to ND and starts a wagon. And weirdly, bozo is the first follower. This interaction is too blatant to be a scum interaction. My theory here is bozo was trying to lynch ND for some reason but didn't want to start a wagon because that would stand out. And he encouraged Jamie for ND.

Omg, damo defended my idea about tying but Jamie keeps the ND wagon. What is that? Jamie has pushed ND so strong.
@Jamie, what was the point of pushing ND that much? ND is always a low poster. I don't think lurking would make him scummy.
Jamie was tunnelling ND
Bozo has encouraged Jamie against ND

Why do you think it is odd I followed Jamie onto ND when I had just indicated I would be willing to vote for ND?

[bozotheclown]

I go now,
But I will come back tomorrow. And damo, I didn't like this vigilante-triggering plan. It wants us to mislynch twice. I won't activate vig that early.

Do you think damo is saying we should mislynch on purpose just to activate the Vig?

[yavuzovic]

Why do you think it is odd I followed Jamie onto ND when I had just indicated I would be willing to vote for ND?

I don't know, this is how it seemed to me.

I go now,
But I will come back tomorrow. And damo, I didn't like this vigilante-triggering plan. It wants us to mislynch twice. I won't activate vig that early.

Do you think damo is saying we should mislynch on purpose just to activate the Vig?

No no, I think he didn't thought this. Mislynching twice is the worst case, and we will learn that anyway if we can't hit a witch. I am unsure about what he thought.

[bozotheclown]

Why do you think it is odd I followed Jamie onto ND when I had just indicated I would be willing to vote for ND?

I don't know, this is how it seemed to me.

I go now,
But I will come back tomorrow. And damo, I didn't like this vigilante-triggering plan. It wants us to mislynch twice. I won't activate vig that early.

Do you think damo is saying we should mislynch on purpose just to activate the Vig?

No no, I think he didn't thought this. Mislynching twice is the worst case, and we will learn that anyway if we can't hit a witch. I am unsure about what he thought.

Then what is your reason for voting for damo?

[Vecna]

Devil's advocate here but Damo is always sporadically all over the place. I honestly feel that he would be less sporadic in this game because the witch QT is open during the day and he can get coaching there...

Jamie's lurking has me more concerned than damp. Anyone else think this? It seems to be similar moves as to the last 'attempted' game.

Also, not visited or targeted btw.

This coaching argument comes around so often, yet in practise its just a garbage argument since noone ever bothers with that.

Ive done a lot of mafia games. Checked a lot of scum PT's. Never have I seen any type of coaching going on, where people directly help others play better, and avoid silly posts.

You just cannot coach the weirdness out of a scummer.

[damo666]

Bozo - quite simply thinking it through I kept changing my mind. I am now fairly convinced that the difference if any is so marginal it's not worth worrying about and certainly no grounds for a lynch vote having an opinion either way. Also btw ND could have been Vig

[damo666]

Ezio, I didn't follow any scumread of yours. I simply eliminated you from my suspect list.

[yavuzovic]

No no, I think he didn't thought this. Mislynching twice is the worst case, and we will learn that anyway if we can't hit a witch. I am unsure about what he thought.

Then what is your reason for voting for damo?

He is scummy, I said he didn't think those. But this doesn't make him town. As a witch, he must play like a town. And I think he forgot about the things I said and made this case. I don't know.

[Vecna]

Btw its still possible that ND was scum, and he randomly just saved the person scum were trying to kill because he was trying to reveal the role of someone to him. Whoever ends up going into the angel thread tonight, carefully asses whether his save is agenda driven and try to be sure it wont be on the same person.

[Vecna]

Edit: actually never mind that, if the person was saved by the angels, it wont reveal on the second save since it only works if the same person is saved two nights in a row without it preventing a kill. so whoever gets saved tonight only matters if the no kill resulted from a living PR.

[rdrivera2005]

It's incredibly scummy to want to rely on the judge and consequently not have to explain who you want to lynch. If we're really in a bind for some reason later in the day, maybe it can be considered, but it's stupid and scummy to do it now.

damo, why am I your preference for the lynch? Explain your vibes.

How is it scummy to consider it? I would argue that saying it is bad is even MORE scummy because it takes away any influence the scum could have on the lynch and puts it into town hands. Isn’t that actually more desired because we know the kill is a townie pulling it off?

Do you think we should let the Judge decide the lynch today? What is your opinion on activating the Vig? Have you considered ND could be the Judge?

This is important and why I said the Judge is an option only on D1 and not for improving odds, but to have a real EOD. From now on, if the Judge is dead if we don't reach a majority there will be no lynch, so just choosing to not lynch to let the Judge choose isn't an option.

[Vecna]

Ah, turns out you do get told if you are saved.

In case it matters for the angels: I was not saved from a kill.

Not sure if anyone else should be claiming a save/no save since it might give scum a bunch of info on their potential role.

Im just claiming it myself since I wouldve been a sensible angel target if Nd was town.

[y2kjbk]

Mafia knows who they tried to kill, assuming they didn't hold it, so someone being saved sharing it publicly here won't be providing any other info to scum beyond what they already know, i.e. scum targeted that person and they were protected.

Letting the judge decide the kill is stupid for a number of reasons beyond the main one, which is us not being able to learn anything from who town wants to lynch. It's scum logic to throw numbers around as justification for a strategy that will make sure one particular town role is not lynched while putting basically the entire day's lynch decision on that one person's shoulders.

[damo666]

So Vecna , the natural target and ND'd natural save was not saved. I think this dramatically increases the chance the target was the gambler. I therefore think that those not having yet declared should not do so.

It also must I suppose add an element of doubt on Vecna. Maybe we have made a lump mistake?

[y2kjbk]

damo, do you suspect Vecna or are you trying to get others to suspect Vecna?

[damo666]

Y2K - interesting that you continue to advocate saveclaim post Vecna's revelation.

[y2kjbk]

I do not follow how someone saying they were saved last night could do anything to give scum anymore info about anyone more than they already have.

[damo666]

Y2K- Vecna cannot fakeclaim due to danger of counterclaim so either
I) Vecna is town and scum either didn't NK, or gambler was target and threw odd or clown was target and pied same person as priest/oracle or ND jammily protected the target, all of which are in my opinion low probability OR
Ii) Vecna is scum and trying to confuse us (with any of the above possible but no NK most likely I guess).

Therefore to answer your question Vecna must be more suspect than he was before.

Who would ND protect other than Vecna? Maybe he did and Vecna is scum? Who else would ND save.

[damo666]

Y2K - sorry being stupid, of course they already have the info so saved person should definitely claim. The absence of a claim implies no NK which makes Vecna look dodgy. So until someone claims a save

##VOTE Vecna