Tiny Hunt I Game Thread

[damo666]

Bozo's Vecna lump vote confuses me so....

##VOTE Worcej

[Vecna]

DoubtingThomas spent a lot of time defending a comment he made about a Squigs post, that looked defensive to me, and I do not remember DoubtingThomas looking defensive in previous games as town.

##VOTE DoubtingThomas

LOL. You must not have read a single post of DT in those previous games if you think he wasnt defensive. Sure hes even more defensive here with his enormous wall on Ezio, but I can totally see most of it coming from a towny place.

I did not reread those games but I do not remember him going to so much effort in response one question. Also, his initial post looks like he is buddying Squigs for no reason.

Good, you passed the test.

[Jamiet99uk]

This is what I have for everyone latest Lump vote:

bo_sox:
bozo: rdrivera
damo: rdrivera
DoubtingThomas:
Ezio: Ezio
Jamie:
ND:
rdrivera: rdrivera
Squigs:
Vecna:
worcej: Vecna
y2kjbk: Ezio
yavuzovic: damo

Are there any mistakes? I have rdrivera leading Ezio 3-2.

I voted for Vecna to have Lump, so this list is wrong.

[bozotheclown]

Lynch vote:
bo_sox: worcej
bozo: DoubtingThomas
damo: worcej
DoubtingThomas: Ezio
Ezio: bo_sox
Jamie:
ND: DoubtingThomas
rdrivera: bozo
Squigs: damo
Vecna: y2kjbk
worcej:
y2kjbk: Ezio
yavuzovic: bozo

Unless we want the Judge to decide the lynch, we need to consolidate on a wagon. Of the four players with 2 votes, my choice would be DoubtingThomas or Ezio. I do not think worcej would risk arguing for a no lynch as scum, and lynching me is a bad idea.

Lump vote:
bo_sox:
bozo: Vecna
damo: Vecna
DoubtingThomas:
Ezio: Ezio
Jamie: Vecna
ND:
rdrivera: rdrivera
Squigs:
Vecna: Vecna
worcej: Vecna
y2kjbk: DoubtingThomas
yavuzovic: damo

I think we should give Lump to someone who wants it, and Vecna says he wants it. The Lump vote does not have to be a majority, so it looks like Vecna will get Lump.

[bozotheclown]

This is what I have for everyone latest Lump vote:

bo_sox:
bozo: rdrivera
damo: rdrivera
DoubtingThomas:
Ezio: Ezio
Jamie:
ND:
rdrivera: rdrivera
Squigs:
Vecna:
worcej: Vecna
y2kjbk: Ezio
yavuzovic: damo

Are there any mistakes? I have rdrivera leading Ezio 3-2.

I voted for Vecna to have Lump, so this list is wrong.

Thanks, I have made this correction.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm totally up with an Ezio vote. He looks scummy, is overly interested in himself, and hasn't addressed Thomas's case.

##Vote.Ezio

[Jamiet99uk]

This is what I have for everyone latest Lump vote:

bo_sox:
bozo: rdrivera
damo: rdrivera
DoubtingThomas:
Ezio: Ezio
Jamie:
ND:
rdrivera: rdrivera
Squigs:
Vecna:
worcej: Vecna
y2kjbk: Ezio
yavuzovic: damo

Are there any mistakes? I have rdrivera leading Ezio 3-2.

I voted for Vecna to have Lump, so this list is wrong.

Thanks, I have made this correction.

Sorry Bozo yes I was still catching up.

[damo666]

OK bozo, I agree we need a wagon so

##VOTE EZIO

[damo666]

Btw any news on Peterbot?

[worcej]

How are flips the only inherently valuable information we get from a lynch? There are patterns, and we can discern those patterns with or without the immediate knowledge of who actually went down, not to mention we can judge intentions and question people on their motivations to get better reads down the road. If we don't lynch, we're sitting on our hands. Besides, a 3/13 chance is a chance that we can make much stronger for ourselves by scumhunting and playing a good game.

What definitive information do we get from letting the witches decide things? Why are we supposed to let the witches decide what information we can derive? Control is the one thing that we have going for us early on in this game.

The "no lynching is dumb" logic is good logic in this game too. Your logic is giving the witches the upper hand and letting them decide what we know, not to mention ensuring that they have no pressure on them and don't have to do anything that might expose them in order to cover their own hides or save their partners. I can only think of one reason why you would propose this whole deal and you haven't changed my mind one bit.

So, keeping in mind Witches are able to talk to each other on their QT during the day, I think the value of 'reading' into posts and detecting patterns is weaker than a normal mafia game. Maybe I am being silly about digging so deeply into the mechanics, but my logic keeps arriving to the logical conclusion that letting witches go first is best. This is because at least in Mafia, you definitively know who you lynched once the day ends - with this, it's all speculation.

You feel like we have control, but our 'control' can be so easily manipulated by 3 coordinated players. I am highly suspect of your opinions on this and, because I tend to do this, I am going with OMGUS on you and ##vote Bo because I think you're more about ensuring a lynch occurs than entertaining the notion of a mislynch/random hit is more damaging in this than mafia.

[Squigs44]

Reads:
bo_sox: null
bozo: null/scum
damo: lean scum
DoubtingThomas: null/town
Ezio: lean town
Jamie: null/scum
ND: null
rdrivera: lean town
Squigs: town
Vecna: null/town
worcej: null/scum
y2kjbk: null/town
yavuzovic: null/scum

I'd be fine with Rdrivera, Vecna, or Ezio as lump. They all seem to want it and they all seem more town than scum. They are all decent scumhunters. Unfortunately, there are only so many roles that would want the lump vote, and so I think it is likely one of those three is scum. I really don't think an Ezio Lynch is a good idea though.

[Squigs44]

How are flips the only inherently valuable information we get from a lynch? There are patterns, and we can discern those patterns with or without the immediate knowledge of who actually went down, not to mention we can judge intentions and question people on their motivations to get better reads down the road. If we don't lynch, we're sitting on our hands. Besides, a 3/13 chance is a chance that we can make much stronger for ourselves by scumhunting and playing a good game.

What definitive information do we get from letting the witches decide things? Why are we supposed to let the witches decide what information we can derive? Control is the one thing that we have going for us early on in this game.

The "no lynching is dumb" logic is good logic in this game too. Your logic is giving the witches the upper hand and letting them decide what we know, not to mention ensuring that they have no pressure on them and don't have to do anything that might expose them in order to cover their own hides or save their partners. I can only think of one reason why you would propose this whole deal and you haven't changed my mind one bit.

So, keeping in mind Witches are able to talk to each other on their QT during the day, I think the value of 'reading' into posts and detecting patterns is weaker than a normal mafia game. Maybe I am being silly about digging so deeply into the mechanics, but my logic keeps arriving to the logical conclusion that letting witches go first is best. This is because at least in Mafia, you definitively know who you lynched once the day ends - with this, it's all speculation.

You feel like we have control, but our 'control' can be so easily manipulated by 3 coordinated players. I am highly suspect of your opinions on this and, because I tend to do this, I am going with OMGUS on you and ##vote Bo because I think you're more about ensuring a lynch occurs than entertaining the notion of a mislynch/random hit is more damaging in this than mafia.

Stop this worcej. It isn't a good idea at all.

What information does a witch NK give us? They could just kill the lump guy and we gain 0 info. The witches get to know the role of the person they killed though, and now their influence is 3/12 instead of 3/13. No Lynch means oracle doesn't get his info as well. I'm struggling to see how you think town gets more info from a no-lynch. They get less info!

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE Ezio

We do not have a lot of time to try to get someone to 7 votes.

[worcej]

Stop this worcej. It isn't a good idea at all.

What information does a witch NK give us? They could just kill the lump guy and we gain 0 info. The witches get to know the role of the person they killed though, and now their influence is 3/12 instead of 3/13. No Lynch means oracle doesn't get his info as well. I'm struggling to see how you think town gets more info from a no-lynch. They get less info!

The fundamental difference is I don't think the 3/13 percent shot of getting a witch right now is worth taking without any other information gained by us. We could just as easily hit the Priest, Oracle, Vig, Graverobber, and Clown (the roles I think are actually valuable for hunting) and are in fact more likely to hit them then a witch.

I can tell it isn't taking off since no one is engaging with the idea, so I am content with letting it happen - it's just a mistake IMO.

[bozotheclown]

Lynch vote:
bo_sox: worcej
bozo: Ezio
damo: Ezio
DoubtingThomas: Ezio
Ezio: bo_sox
Jamie: Ezio
ND: DoubtingThomas
rdrivera: bozo
Squigs: damo
Vecna: y2kjbk
worcej: bo_sox
y2kjbk: Ezio
yavuzovic: bozo

Ezio: 5 votes
bo_sox: 2 votes
bozo: 2 votes
damo: 1 vote
DoubtingThomas: 1 vote
worcej: 1 vote
y2kjbk: 1 vote

[rdrivera2005]

As rdr doesn't want it

##LUMPVOTE VECNA

I didn't said I don't want it, the only sure thing I have is my alignment. I said if you guys want a lump that is also a leader I am not the best choice. This said, I think Vecna is a good choice even risking him to be an early NK.

##lumpvote Vecna

[damo666]

apologies for the misinterpretation rdrivera, anyway I think Vecna ia a good choice for lump

[Vecna]

Seeing the people voting Ezio, im really not so sure I want to lynch that boi.

Thoughts Rdrivera?

[rdrivera2005]

I can vote for Ezio If we need a majority (otherwise we just give the decision to the Judge, that might choose the most voted unless he has a better reason to not do so, like he being the most voted), just didn't find DT case soo compelling and want to hear from him before hanging him.

[rdrivera2005]

Seeing the people voting Ezio, im really not so sure I want to lynch that boi.

Thoughts Rdrivera?

Just saw your message after I posted. I don't have a strong scumread on him and I don't think letting the Judge decide is a bad idea (at least today when we are sure he is alive) so maybe we can avoid this early consolidate and have a real EOD.