Tiny Hunt I Game Thread

[Squigs44]

i think this is a very townie post

Why?

i like his approach to the game.

he comments on what is almost always true (loud VTs yelling at each other) and says this game is different because of an obvious reason (a new variant, and none of us had exposure of it whatsoever) and says it make "things more difficult"

then he went on to encourage the rest of us to play, saying "it's stillt he same game though. You have to read people, which requires interactions and participation."

I believe that mafias are going to be more welcoming to the idea of not participating so that he can, along with other inactive townies, coast around to the end of the game. that's the easiest way for him to win. however, here, squigs is pursuing the exact opposite of that, something that makes the game harder for himself if he was ever to be a mafia.

OF COURSE I am fully aware of the possibility that he can make such posts as a mafia, to get "town cred" but i am not fond of the idea because i dont think he really gets much town cred, and I feel his sincere encouragement for us to get the game moving -- which is what townies do early game when the game does not pick up.

You literally just gave me towncred for something you later said you don't think would give me much towncred.

[DoubtingThomas]

Why?

i like his approach to the game.

he comments on what is almost always true (loud VTs yelling at each other) and says this game is different because of an obvious reason (a new variant, and none of us had exposure of it whatsoever) and says it make "things more difficult"

then he went on to encourage the rest of us to play, saying "it's stillt he same game though. You have to read people, which requires interactions and participation."

I believe that mafias are going to be more welcoming to the idea of not participating so that he can, along with other inactive townies, coast around to the end of the game. that's the easiest way for him to win. however, here, squigs is pursuing the exact opposite of that, something that makes the game harder for himself if he was ever to be a mafia.

OF COURSE I am fully aware of the possibility that he can make such posts as a mafia, to get "town cred" but i am not fond of the idea because i dont think he really gets much town cred, and I feel his sincere encouragement for us to get the game moving -- which is what townies do early game when the game does not pick up.

You literally just gave me towncred for something you later said you don't think would give me much towncred.

No? I gave you town cred but I acknowledge you could have manipulated the post so its something I should look back in the future, but personally I think its what a townie would do rn?

[bo_sox48]

Also Yav is the towniest he's ever been IMO. He's always super shitty but at least now he's super shitty pushing his agenda. That's an improvement and imo gives him serious town points.

I agree. Stop doing that.

[bo_sox48]

i think this is a very townie post

Why?

i like his approach to the game.

he comments on what is almost always true (loud VTs yelling at each other) and says this game is different because of an obvious reason (a new variant, and none of us had exposure of it whatsoever) and says it make "things more difficult"

then he went on to encourage the rest of us to play, saying "it's stillt he same game though. You have to read people, which requires interactions and participation."

I believe that mafias are going to be more welcoming to the idea of not participating so that he can, along with other inactive townies, coast around to the end of the game. that's the easiest way for him to win. however, here, squigs is pursuing the exact opposite of that, something that makes the game harder for himself if he was ever to be a mafia.

OF COURSE I am fully aware of the possibility that he can make such posts as a mafia, to get "town cred" but i am not fond of the idea because i dont think he really gets much town cred, and I feel his sincere encouragement for us to get the game moving -- which is what townies do early game when the game does not pick up.

Can you try this again? Perhaps this time you can actually answer my question.

[y2kjbk]

How is pushing an agenda more townie than general scum-hunting? Pushing an agenda is easy as scum, what’s hard is making credible claims of who you think are scum.

[DoubtingThomas]

Why?

i like his approach to the game.

he comments on what is almost always true (loud VTs yelling at each other) and says this game is different because of an obvious reason (a new variant, and none of us had exposure of it whatsoever) and says it make "things more difficult"

then he went on to encourage the rest of us to play, saying "it's stillt he same game though. You have to read people, which requires interactions and participation."

I believe that mafias are going to be more welcoming to the idea of not participating so that he can, along with other inactive townies, coast around to the end of the game. that's the easiest way for him to win. however, here, squigs is pursuing the exact opposite of that, something that makes the game harder for himself if he was ever to be a mafia.

OF COURSE I am fully aware of the possibility that he can make such posts as a mafia, to get "town cred" but i am not fond of the idea because i dont think he really gets much town cred, and I feel his sincere encouragement for us to get the game moving -- which is what townies do early game when the game does not pick up.

Can you try this again? Perhaps this time you can actually answer my question.

that is the answer for your question.

[Ezio]

Pushing an agenda is more townie than doing nothing, which is a stark improvement over yavs usual game. Perhaps it's a scum ploy but it's Hoodwinked me so far and I townread him more than you and assorted other people.
Imo we should be Lynching between damo and Thomas

[Ezio]

Oh yeah should prolly vote one of those two shouldn't I...

[Ezio]

Nahh. Bo's never this nice... Bo call me a dumbass already and insult a town clear.

[Ezio]

ND what do you think about all the new stupid people?

[DoubtingThomas]

@bo, if you are having hard time understanding english, let me summarize my post for you

Your question: Why do I think Squig's post is townie?

Because

I believe that mafias are going to be more welcoming to the idea of not participating so that he can, along with other inactive townies, coast around to the end of the game. that's the easiest way for him to win. however, here, squigs is pursuing the exact opposite of that, something that makes the game harder for himself if he was ever to be a mafia.

I feel that he is doing opposite of what mafias would do. Opposite of mafia is town. that's why i think that post he made is townie. because he's doing the opposite of what a mafia would do. in other words, he's townie.

Furthermore,

I feel his sincere encouragement for us to get the game moving -- which is what townies do early game when the game does not pick up.

he is doing what I believe townies do. if he's doing what townies are doing in his post, that post is townie for me

not sure if it helped

[DoubtingThomas]

Pushing an agenda is more townie than doing nothing, which is a stark improvement over yavs usual game. Perhaps it's a scum ploy but it's Hoodwinked me so far and I townread him more than you and assorted other people.
Imo we should be Lynching between damo and Thomas

I disagree pushing an wolf agenda is worse than doing nothing

stop posting scummy shit, son

[Squigs44]

Okay so my strategy of voting lurkers/low posters to try to get them to participate is not really working.

The more I think about Damos lump list the more scummy I think he is. In theory the list seems like a good idea. Lump is important and so a logical approach to ensure that we pick the right lump candidate is a good idea. But Damo still hasn't answered my question about why he took certain people off the list. It looks to me like Damo is using this list thing as a way to force his lump vote while giving "reasons" so that he is justified.

Just lump vote whoever you trust the most. People keep making this game too complicated. Play the game, don't hide in some concocted game plan.

##vote Damo
##lump Ezio

[DoubtingThomas]

Okay so my strategy of voting lurkers/low posters to try to get them to participate is not really working.

The more I think about Damos lump list the more scummy I think he is. In theory the list seems like a good idea. Lump is important and so a logical approach to ensure that we pick the right lump candidate is a good idea. But Damo still hasn't answered my question about why he took certain people off the list. It looks to me like Damo is using this list thing as a way to force his lump vote while giving "reasons" so that he is justified.

Just lump vote whoever you trust the most. People keep making this game too complicated. Play the game, don't hide in some concocted game plan.

##vote Damo
##lump Ezio

where does your trust in Ezio come from?

[rdrivera2005]

Pushing an agenda is more townie than doing nothing, which is a stark improvement over yavs usual game. Perhaps it's a scum ploy but it's Hoodwinked me so far and I townread him more than you and assorted other people.
Imo we should be Lynching between damo and Thomas

I disagree pushing an wolf agenda is worse than doing nothing

stop posting scummy shit, son

I think Ezio told that specifically to Yav, pushing an agenda is better then doing nothing, something that I agree, but with a little restriction considering the open witch QT. Also from what I remember from scum Yav he was pretty obvious and it doesn't seems the case here.

[Squigs44]

Okay so my strategy of voting lurkers/low posters to try to get them to participate is not really working.

The more I think about Damos lump list the more scummy I think he is. In theory the list seems like a good idea. Lump is important and so a logical approach to ensure that we pick the right lump candidate is a good idea. But Damo still hasn't answered my question about why he took certain people off the list. It looks to me like Damo is using this list thing as a way to force his lump vote while giving "reasons" so that he is justified.

Just lump vote whoever you trust the most. People keep making this game too complicated. Play the game, don't hide in some concocted game plan.

##vote Damo
##lump Ezio

where does your trust in Ezio come from?

Well it looks like the decision right now is Rdrivera or Ezio. Damo is lumping Rdrivera, which I think might be forced. Ezio has also been one of the more active players, and his posts have seemed very genuine. The only other option I think *might* be better is Vecna, but he isn't really a lump wagon right now.

[DoubtingThomas]

Stop riding on Ezio's balls. He's not being townie at all. Let me point some red flags

post #1 = Lump votes himself as the very first post. pretty weird. doesn't seem like he's interested in caring about finding the scum. i might give him scum points for this, but for ezio's sake let's just say NAI

post #2 = mechanical suggestion. NAI

post #3 = asks GM question. NAI

post #17 = "Y2k feels bad about last game where he killed me.... why shouldn't he lump me?"
uh. pretty much useless post regarding this game

post #19 = "Squigs what do you know of each player's reputation here?"
asks Squigs questions. without him contributing absolutely nothing to the game so far

post #37 = "Leeroy sucks and he should never use his thing."
not too much contribution to actual scum hunting

post #38 =
"I don't particularly care about the noflip part of this setup because we have enough ways to figure out if the lynched person was scum, I assume we'll figure it out.
To that end it's better to have the lynch be ours rather than, essentially, a kamikaze vig shot.
It obviously isn't even a question unless Leeroy's the lynch target... RIGHT"
some mechanical related comment. not scum hunting. keeps complaining about leeroy...? pretty pointless stuff here

post #46 =
"Yav stop it. Your idea is bad. We should just not lynch our cop D1."
disses Yav's idea. not really scum hunting here.


post #76 and 77 is just more mechanical talk with squigs and bo, vecna. NO SCUM HUNTING. NOTHING ELSE SO FAR CONTRIBUTED.

post #78 "@doubting Thomas
Say something useful rather than making a dumb joke post."

here's my problem with this. it's not that he called me out for doing nothing. it's that he hasn't done any scum hunting. he hasn't done anything productive except talking about the mechanics.

now let's ask ourselves. Is talking about mechanics scum aligned? no. is it town aligned? not necessarily. Now, is ONLY talking about mechanics while having literally 0 posts about who is scum and who is suspicious a problem? yes, this is a variant of mafia and we need to find SCUMS not just the most optimal way for town to use their abilities and perform lynches.

post #79 calls GM, demanding a standard for lynch voting and lump voting. fine then in the same post, abruptly votes squigs44. joke vote?....? he never mentioned squigs ever except to @ him for talking abotu mechanics. i see NO progression in his thought that can potentially suggest he is in any way DEVELOPING his thoughts to thinking squigs is scummy.

why is this a problem? because towns develop their thoughts because they have 0 information to begin with and fill their suspicions with newly gathered info. scums already have all the information and they think to determine who they will start pushing for lynch, and fill it in with information gathered after they made up their mind. this vote, while by itself is not a huge problem, is definitely suspicious and weird. if he meant it in any serious way, we need an answer for this one.

post #81: another short, but non scum hunting post talking about how my recent post was useless

post #129: "Rather than giving the post number it would be a lot more helpful to use the quote function to quote the post.
Rather than saying "it's flawed" point out why it's flawed."
enough said. no scum hunting, just complaining about people's posts

post #131: more talks with vecna about mechanics. no scum hunting

post #132: "Yes squigs exactly like that."

post #143: "I'm gonna ##Vote Bo sox.
He's nicer and less obnoxious than usual."
bad reason to scum hunt someone. what does this remind you of? oh maybe the statement I made above? scums choose who they want to vote and come up with reasons AFTER they make a decision?

post #156: "Good to be back Bo. Now that I think we've mostly gotten the mechanics out of the way It's back to good old fashioned shitposting from me."
NAI

post #157: "Also Yav is the towniest he's ever been IMO. He's always super shitty but at least now he's super shitty pushing his agenda. That's an improvement and imo gives him serious town points."
I think I can safely conclude that this is the first post he's made that is an actual effort to read someone scum/town with a legitimate reason. on page 8.

post #167: "Pushing an agenda is more townie than doing nothing, which is a stark improvement over yavs usual game. Perhaps it's a scum ploy but it's Hoodwinked me so far and I townread him more than you and assorted other people.
Imo we should be Lynching between damo and Thomas"

okay, here is the real problematic post from ezio. pushing an agenda is more townie than doing nothing? i've never heard this one before. people in MU push people as scum all the time because they are agenda ridden. pushing people with agenda, blinds that person and distracts others from finding actual scummy people. unless you meant a different type of agenda? idek.

and then you suddenly want to lynch between me and damo? okay you mentioned me like twice, saying my posts are useless. which is fine sure, but the problem is you've never mentioned damo. why are you suddenly top scum reading damo with me?

Hack, I have a really big problem with you. You voted Squigs without reason, then voted Bo because he's too nice or not nice, I forgot, and then you suddenly want to vote me (for having poor posts, sure) but then damo comes out of nowhere? I CTRL+F'd your posts in this thread and the only other time you mention damo before this is when you reply to damo who said, "Ezio, read the rules. Your post #76 is flawed." and you respond by saying, it will be helpful if he posts the actual post and what about it is flawed (aka, junk) you never scum read him. then suddenly you want to lynch him between me and him.

there has been not only 0 progression on your scum read of damo, but also literally no interaction between you and damo, but you want to lynch him. lynch him in a game full of PR townies. without a reason given for why you scum read him.

Ezio, I dont know your mafia play style at all, but this is not okay. and i will not accept this. you are high scum for me, and if Bo or ND or whoever knows you better can vouch that this indeed is your playstyle, that's fine, but i am taking none of this shit.

also @squigs, I thought you were brighter than this? you always seemed to analyze and assess people critically. what happened here? how is this piece of shit ISO good enough for you to lump vote him? are you teamed up with him? oddly enough, you are the person he mentions the most. what of his 0 scum hunting gave you the confidence that he will correctly find the scum?

most active doesnt even mean shit. that defense only works if you sheep brainbomb and/or Jamie every game you play with them. you don't don't give me futile reasons to believe you actually think lumping ezio makes sense here.

[DoubtingThomas]

TLDR;

Ezio did literally 0 scum hunting. he only talked about mechanics.

he voted squigs without reason, bo for being too nice, called me out two times on shitposting, never mentioned damo basically

then says he wants to lynch between damo and me

showed 0 progression but has two definite targets he wants to lynch

a typical mafia thought process because they think about easy mislynch targets, not try to find out who is scum (cuz they already know)

squigs thinks this person is a good lump vote because they will somehow be able to find scums when they've done literally 0 scum hunting

##vote ezio

[Squigs44]

@DT - Players like ghug, bb, Ezio, etc make a lot of posts without pointing out the obvious. It's got an air of arrogance to it. Like his post asking ND what he thinks about the new stupid players. I think they do this in part to see who is able to follow their reasoning and who is on the same page as them. They imply a lot of things, assume that you know certain things, and see how you react. I personally don't use this playstyle, as I think clear concise logic is more my style. But I have seen it used by ghug and others while they were town effectively. There is a lot about the tone of Ezios posts, things he implies, attitudes that he uses when referring to certain players that tell me a whole lot more about Ezio than the actual content he posts.

I remember when I first started playing that it drove me completely nuts when ghug did this type of thing. But over time I got better at picking up on his playstyle. I think right now you are missing a lot of Ezio's play, and that is why you are scumreading him and he is scumreading you.

[DoubtingThomas]

@DT - Players like ghug, bb, Ezio, etc make a lot of posts without pointing out the obvious. It's got an air of arrogance to it. Like his post asking ND what he thinks about the new stupid players. I think they do this in part to see who is able to follow their reasoning and who is on the same page as them. They imply a lot of things, assume that you know certain things, and see how you react. I personally don't use this playstyle, as I think clear concise logic is more my style. But I have seen it used by ghug and others while they were town effectively. There is a lot about the tone of Ezios posts, things he implies, attitudes that he uses when referring to certain players that tell me a whole lot more about Ezio than the actual content he posts.

I remember when I first started playing that it drove me completely nuts when ghug did this type of thing. But over time I got better at picking up on his playstyle. I think right now you are missing a lot of Ezio's play, and that is why you are scumreading him and he is scumreading you.

if he posts one line to say someone is scummy, others will not be able to see his reasoning and sheep him properly.

if that is the case, the least we can say is that is the worst candidate to be lumped and try to be a town leader, especially when we can barely tell he is truly townie or scummy.

thoughts?