M1021 - Blessings of Lilia - GAME THREAD [hidden]

[BesharamSabi]

Taking Chaqa and Eden idea from m73:

Town in green
Poe in red
celaph
Jamiet
Tfb
Llama
Damo
Aaro


snowy
Kak
Pyxxy
Bona
Maniac

These are in order btw.

[BesharamSabi]

Would it be fair to say your scum read on Maniac largely rests on his "not doing anything towny" all game?

Please show me examples of Maniac helping town, providing actual reads, doing anything that isn't sandbagging. He is creating static noise and hoping that it would be enough to hide behind as scum. This act is a lot different than his previous games. Even his shit posts are half ass from his previous games.

Overall he hasn't exhibited anything to try to solve this game. His behavior during eod1 is alarming and anti town. I don't get why people aren't seeing this. His justification on aaro and then switching to durga excuse was nonsense.

[BesharamSabi]

Taking Chaqa and Eden idea from m73:

Town in green
Poe in red
celaph
Jamiet
Tfb
Llama
Damo
Aaro


snowy
Kak
Pyxxy
Bona
Maniac

These are in order btw.

I guess snowy and kak would be blue as in eliminate the poe first then sort them out.

[BesharamSabi]

I am trying very hard to keep my tinfoil and emotional side out of this game because it hurts town.

Please let me go back to limiting my post. I feel like I'm slipping back to my old ways and I really want to help town and not hurt it. Is there anything else yall want to ask me or my reads or my thoughts before I go back to limiting.

[snowy801]

I don't believe Maniac is sandbagging. I believe this is the upper limits of his ability.

Nonetheless, that has nothing to do with my question.

Given this rubric by which you grade people's towniness, could you kindly point out the towny actions the following people have demonstrated which led you to town read them?

celaph
damo
aaro

[BesharamSabi]

I don't believe Maniac is sandbagging. I believe this is the upper limits of his ability.

Nonetheless, that has nothing to do with my question.

Given this rubric by which you grade people's towniness, could you kindly point out the towny actions the following people have demonstrated which led you to town read them?

celaph
damo
aaro

Celaph has provided original insight and reads that I don't think a scum!celaph could replicate. Examples of such reads:
http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 79#p297879
http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 83#p298383

Damo, while his eod1 voting the cw when he was the wagon and townreading Maniac is eyebrow raising, has been trying to be solvey. His interactions with Jamiet aren't avoidance and what not, something he has done when he was scum last time. He seems fully engaged and trying to push the game along. I also townread him because of the wagon on him was so meh and felt scummy. I doubt scum would bus their own like that.

Aaro, he's not fully town read yet. He seems disengaged now but he at least a good part of D1 he was trying to solvey even if it was based off tfb and durga comment about day chat and the set up.

May I ask why did you pick those three?

[snowy801]

Because the other three seems to answer themselves.

If you have outright reason to scum read bona and only reasons not to town read Maniac, what would you say on balance shifts Maniac as your #1 scum over bona?

[BesharamSabi]

Because the other three seems to answer themselves.

If you have outright reason to scum read bona and only reasons not to town read Maniac, what would you say on balance shifts Maniac as your #1 scum over bona?

Yes, there is more hard evidence on Bona being scummier than Maniac. My gut feeling says otherwise about Maniac being scummier than Bona but gut feelings/vibes aren't real evidence. For the sake of disregarding vibes:

Bona is top and Maniac is second.

[snowy801]

@the boomer brit brigade

When do you guys plan on going to sleep, relative to EoD? Any of you sticking around that late?

[snowy801]

And Kak too I guess. Keep forgetting he's in this game

Just all Euros in general

[BesharamSabi]

I also find it suspicious that Maniac was openly talking about who rdr would give stuff too, which is putting players in dangers even if they may or may not get objects. To me that screams anti town.

[snowy801]

What makes it anti town, do you reckon? Who did it place in danger, and what negative consequence would it have?

[BesharamSabi]

What makes it anti town, do you reckon? Who did it place in danger, and what negative consequence would it have?

Let's say that Maniac is town and rdr successfully did pass on an object, openly speculating about who or who didn't get an object gives scum a list of people to target/play whack a mole. It's not different than pr hunting as town because you are only helping scum and hurting your team.

Keep the speculations to yourself.

[snowy801]

Do you believe activities such as open item and PR speculation is a scum indicative move? What do you believe might be the motives for or against taking this action as scum?

And if I may expand this question a bit further, do you have opinions on the same question for generic "anti-town" behavior?

[damo666]

@the boomer brit brigade

When do you guys plan on going to sleep, relative to EoD? Any of you sticking around that late?

I hope to be on at EOD.

[TheFlyingBoat]

The only people I am now not townreading are

Kak
TFB *
Sabi
Bona
Aaro *

* these are the 2 towniest of these 5

However there is probably a deepscum I'm townreading.

I would like aaro to write up a VCA.

As I have the advantage of knowing I am town I could glean quite a lot from VCA.

I want to hear from aaro.

On mob and can't remember if I am voting Bona or pyxxy so jic

##vote Bona

Can you explain why you town read every single late Durga voter? I'm of the opinion scum was certainly in the late pile on when they realized Durga was a possible kill target and sought to take advantage of that.

[Jamiet99uk]

@the boomer brit brigade

When do you guys plan on going to sleep, relative to EoD? Any of you sticking around that late?

I might be around, and I might also be drunk.

[Maniac]

@BesharamSabi - you’re background colour on the bot is green. Typing in green makes it hard for people to see. Perhaps you could differentiate scum and town by underlining and bolding. Please and thank-you.

[snowy801]

@BesharamSabi - you’re background colour

Maniac manufacturing contractions out of thin air madlad

[Bonatogether]

If damo is scum, I think we can safely assume that there's 1 or 2 scum in the last-second cascade onto Durga (snowy, jamie, DL, aaro). Of these, I rank them jamie > snowy > DL > aaro. Observant people would notice that this towniness ranking is essentially the same as the order in which they moved, and this is because I believe that the initial move was towny, but later movers (DL, aaro) had strange given motivations.

If damo is town, then once they saw the pile-on start they did not care. Either possible kill was town. However, blending in with the herd makes sense - thread momentum was behind the Durga kill. I think we can assume about one mafia would make the move. Again, snowy and jamie feel honest to me at this point in time, so this points again to DL and aaro.

I have a hard time reading DL, and aaro already has some steam.

##vote aarodactyl

Why was switching a 7-5 to a 8-4 with a minute to go scummy? At that point, either Durga was dying or there was going to be a tie.

There was no momentum for damo. You were at the tail end of the pile, with Maniac making 1 vote for damo before you. Using the quoting for exact time trick, there were only 20 seconds in between his vote and yours, and so while it's not impossible that you saw the vote, I'm not sure it's likely.