M1021 - Blessings of Lilia - GAME THREAD [hidden]

[Jamiet99uk]

Ok to explain where I am coming from, I think one of Aaro/Damo need to die today to help rationalize D1. You want Aaro dead and I can see why. I want Damo dead and you can understand why I think what I do, but think I am wrong/misguided to think so.

What I am trying to understand is why you seem so confident in Damo's rationale. Like you tell me you agree with Damo's assessment. You then tell me that as an explanation "[you] did not think the Maniac wagon would take off, and damo probably thought the same." This is an answer to why, it's just restating the point in more words. Obviously if town!damo chose Durga and was only trying to survive he thought the Durga wagon was more likely to take off than the Maniac wagon.

What I am trying to understand is why you think the Maniac wagon was DOA and why you think Durga was more killable.

@TFB:
Do you think that Snowy is wrong on this point?

Do you think that Maniac was a more viable wagon than Durga at that moment in time?

If you did think that, why so?

Do you scumread Maniac?

[snowy801]

Ok to explain where I am coming from, I think one of Aaro/Damo need to die today to help rationalize D1. You want Aaro dead and I can see why. I want Damo dead and you can understand why I think what I do, but think I am wrong/misguided to think so.

What I am trying to understand is why you seem so confident in Damo's rationale. Like you tell me you agree with Damo's assessment. You then tell me that as an explanation "[you] did not think the Maniac wagon would take off, and damo probably thought the same." This is an answer to why, it's just restating the point in more words. Obviously if town!damo chose Durga and was only trying to survive he thought the Durga wagon was more likely to take off than the Maniac wagon.

What I am trying to understand is why you think the Maniac wagon was DOA and why you think Durga was more killable.

I understand what you are saying, I simply do not know what more I can say for you.

The Maniac wagon felt DOA because I believed nobody else wanted to join (see: earlier conversation with DL). Durga was more killable because more people wanted her dead.

Are you asking me to list each individual voter and what I felt at the time were the more likely leans of their final votes? I feel there are better uses of my time than that.

You ask me to justify his choice but from my perspective there was no choice to be made for damo between Durga and Maniac. The choice, if there can be said to be one, was staying on aaro and moving to Durga, and we know the final choice he made.

As to why, that's a question I'd be interested hearing answered myself.
@damo

It occurs to me that this answer is the same I have given you on repeat and you may remain dissatisfied, but I do not know what else I can give you.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm not quite sure why TFB is digging so deeply into this one question.

[snowy801]

I imagine he believes there is a connection between scum!damo and scum!Maniac, and wants to hear from me things that may imply or refute a connection with either.

Seems a bit dogmatic in his approach, but it seems well intended to me.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Ok to explain where I am coming from, I think one of Aaro/Damo need to die today to help rationalize D1. You want Aaro dead and I can see why. I want Damo dead and you can understand why I think what I do, but think I am wrong/misguided to think so.

What I am trying to understand is why you seem so confident in Damo's rationale. Like you tell me you agree with Damo's assessment. You then tell me that as an explanation "[you] did not think the Maniac wagon would take off, and damo probably thought the same." This is an answer to why, it's just restating the point in more words. Obviously if town!damo chose Durga and was only trying to survive he thought the Durga wagon was more likely to take off than the Maniac wagon.

What I am trying to understand is why you think the Maniac wagon was DOA and why you think Durga was more killable.

@TFB:
Do you think that Snowy is wrong on this point?

Do you think that Maniac was a more viable wagon than Durga at that moment in time?

If you did think that, why so?

Do you scumread Maniac?

Obviously I think he is wrong, though I can see why he thinks the opposite and thinks I am clearly wrong.

I think so.

I don't think Maniac was heavily townread and even those that townread him were cool with killing him apparently like aaro commented in his reads. People on webDip are very worried about killing good people D1 even if they appear slightly scummy and choose to take the safe road and kill the player that would likely not be helpful even if they are town instead.

I have a light scum lean on him for VCA reasons that really hedges on Damo's alignment. My read on his posts are null-ish as poor reasoning and bad pushes aren't always scum indicative for Maniac. Just really hard to read there early.

[pyxxy]

NOT YET VOTED: celaph, BesharamSabi, aarodactyl, pyxxy

Reminder that nonvoters are scum confirmed

[snowy801]

Someone asked Sabi's opinion on you earlier, boatman.

Uno reverse card. What do you think of them?

[Bonatogether]

##vote tfb

recent posts have seemed terrible to me, lines up with my previous thoughts on them

[TheFlyingBoat]

I'm not quite sure why TFB is digging so deeply into this one question.

There's no one to talk to besides snowy, I respect snowy's opinion and I wanted to get more info from him both to improve my read of Aaro, Damo, and Maniac, and yes as Snowy mentioned to get him on the record on these things. He has given his opinion on it in a manner that isn't completely satisfactory but at least did it in a way that a) made his opinion clear and b) didn't seem evasive or like he was trying to shy away from the answer for the sake of concealing something but rather just didn't view it as worth his time, which is something I could see town!snowy saying.

[snowy801]

bona, my border gore enthusiast

Top 3 town reads go

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm not quite sure why TFB is digging so deeply into this one question.

There's no one to talk to besides snowy, I respect snowy's opinion and I wanted to get more info from him both to improve my read of Aaro, Damo, and Maniac, and yes as Snowy mentioned to get him on the record on these things. He has given his opinion on it in a manner that isn't completely satisfactory but at least did it in a way that a) made his opinion clear and b) didn't seem evasive or like he was trying to shy away from the answer for the sake of concealing something but rather just didn't view it as worth his time, which is something I could see town!snowy saying.

Ok, thank you.

[Jamiet99uk]

##vote tfb

recent posts have seemed terrible to me, lines up with my previous thoughts on them

What is terrible about them?

Please be specific.

[Jamiet99uk]

@TFB:
Would you vote Maniac today?
Would you vote for Bona?

[Kakarroto]

thanos snap

also what things about damo are suspicious in your own words?

his votes were all over the place, it looked like he supported the fight between people to fuel that rather than him trying to get information or voting for pressure his reads, it's like his intention was coming from a wrong place. It also felt like he prodded me in a way trying to reveal if I was pr or not, I'm pretty sure rd felt the same way (regarding damo trying to make rd reveal his tell) and damo even declared that this was probably what caused rd getting nk'ed. Also how am I damo's top mafia read but then suddenly only a null for him after the day begins again?

Maybe I'm misinterpreting or tunneling or however you want to call it and I'm wrong about damo, but I don't know what, except a flip, would get me off that thought. It was either a bad townplay to not stop going after rd's vt tell or good mafia play and town damo should know better.


@damo you still didn't respond to my question how you had me on lowest on your maf scale (pyxxy had a good summary quoting you in their post) and after the day began I'm suddenly a null?


@snowy and boat what if aaro and damo are both mafia? is that possible or probable? could it be that it was SvSvT and durga got the short end of the stick?

[Jamiet99uk]

Snowy is coming across as town to me today. ##Unvote.

TFB seems towny also.

Maniac and Bonatogether seem suspect to me.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Someone asked Sabi's opinion on you earlier, boatman.

Uno reverse card. What do you think of them?

Some things irritated me about them. Their overconfidence about the wagons at the end of the day was completely unjustified in my opinion. Then to accuse me of being sexist in my pressure on Durga was ridiculous. But that type of posting from Sabi is so on-brand that I don't necessarily think it is scummy.

I mean they basically made the same dumb argument they made here right after I got Fluminator killed with Jamie and then somehow after I nailed 4 of 5 scum in my EoD2 reads list, kept on those people, and tried to push wagons on both Donny and Damo on my last day alive STILL tried to argue that I couldn't read the game despite their reads that game basically being no better than random darts. So it is what it is.

What does make me think they're town despite all of their absolute nonsense is that in some of their D1 posts (I think their 6th one was the one I referenced when I was previously asked this question iirc) they actually displayed some reasonable level of analysis that I think is beyond their ability to fake.

Their scum meta imo involves them faking interest and activity and basically making it impossible for town to process the game by clogging the thread up with questions that don't matter and don't help read the game. I've seen nothing to suggest they can fake reads and analysis like they did, though perhaps my perception of their abilities is coloring my judgment here and causing me to miss something.

[snowy801]

damo aaro voting each other didn't particularly smell of a bus. It is not inconceivable that this scent could be concealed given a day chat, especially as expanding a correct scum wagon early to trigger town jitters is something I have both used in the past and seen others employ, but that is not my first instinct to that sequence.

[Bonatogether]

bona, my border gore enthusiast

Top 3 town reads go

celaph
jamie
kak

not in order

[snowy801]

bona, my border gore enthusiast

Top 3 town reads go

celaph
jamie
kak

not in order

Anything particular on Kakarroto?

[TheFlyingBoat]

##vote tfb

recent posts have seemed terrible to me, lines up with my previous thoughts on them

I was on her for 24 hours. In what world is that opportunistic? I thought she was scummy, plain and simple, hence why I pushed her. For all the reasons listed in my convos with snowy, I would never pursue Durga as an opportunistic D1 kill.