M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

It depends. These things are very nuanced, you know?

fucking lmao

I've evolved into a different Pokemon this game.
Forget anything you knew about my old meta.

it’s too bad I know you’re not a singer with Nine Altars because I was so ready to call you Jigglyt for the rest of eternity

[President Eden]

acknowledging brain’s very interesting and cool wall post which I will read in detail over lunch and pontificate about before presumably dying in 4hrs

[Chaqa]

pyxxy: the thing I remember most is chaqa saying that the vote is going to tie when celaph was about to flip and for whatever reason pyxxy tried to actually tie it. In hindsight the vote was once again between tfb and celaph which seems like something that pyxxy would have been briefed on in a scum chat and it certainly isnt that farfetched to imaging that a player like pyxxy could get away with tying it or trying to tie it and then claim to be an innocent newb who just didnt know better.

slight scum

I believe Pyxxy that he didn't see my post when he made his vote. Would newbie scum try to force a tie? Maybe. But we generally view causing a tie as the worst sin imaginable, even when it's done by an obvtown ( see Bona last game or the game before).

business lamp: more than anything I just think blamp is only on a survival mode at this point. I am seeing critical breakdowns in the positive traits displayed earlier in the game. I think the messages to the god QT is not a substantive peice of evidence because for the most part scum is about doiing any shady underhanded perceptual thing to look town. The most striking moment of EOD4 is blamp offering up sabi like a tasty slab of meat for me to pursue almost as if he wants me to move my vote. This does somewhat incriminate RHK or Flum and yet I find it more likely to be blamp just feeding into my overall opinions on sabi.

strong scum

If this is how you feel, why did you push me so hard for wanting to get Blamp out as a matter of policy yesterday? If you agreed with me, why so much pushback and personal insults? I don't believe this is how you actually are feeling about Blamp.

Chaqa: he is town and I dont really doubt it. I agree that his POE is likely the best way to get our next result. I was never intending to turn d4 into a shit show. I was fascinated to see town implode and then to see chaqa himself get in on the implosion as if he just had lost all grip over the path he had wanted. When EOD occurs chaqa just feels very stiff and uncertain of what to actually do. His own rigidity is put to the test and chaqa is quite human here with no clear plan on how to proceed. I find this to be boring but not evil.

Town

This entire paragraph is cap bro. Go re-read your Day 4 and it doesn't match up whatsoever with any of that. "I was fascinated to see town implode" - bruh.

[Chaqa]

acknowledging brain’s very interesting and cool wall post which I will read in detail over lunch and pontificate about before presumably dying in 4hrs

It makes me want to yeet brainbomb deep into the fires of Mount Doom.

He's back in my PoE.

[brainbomb]

I now feel blamp is scum chaqa. I didnt yesterday and I did see it as policy yesterday.

also you got caught up in the bullshit like all of us

[brainbomb]

I dont think you were excited to see town implode I think you were fearful it would happen and then it did and you were bewildered and powerless to do anything about it

[President Eden]

acknowledging brain’s very interesting and cool wall post which I will read in detail over lunch and pontificate about before presumably dying in 4hrs

It makes me want to yeet brainbomb deep into the fires of Mount Doom.

He's back in my PoE.

idk his paragraph on you is pretty charitable and resonated with me

maybe I’m being too soft, but maybe you’re seeing red a bit

[brainbomb]

his whole schtick about dont deviate we have this game in the bag, and now hes deviating and going off the rails into his own conspirathetical hell he denounced me for on an entire day.

You should recognize that sabi dies there whether I vote them or not at EOD. explain a scenario at all where I am lying?

[brainbomb]

unless you see bona trying to tie it as pro town and thus I am solely the one to blame for sabi dying. we can entertain that dialogue if you want

[brainbomb]

chaqa strikes me as the type of player who looks at a post and only looks for his own name in it and if he doesnt find it he just stops reading the content entirely


Ooh, stop
Ooh
Ooh
With your feet on the air and your head on the ground
Try this trick and spin it, yeah
Your head will collapse
But there's nothing in it
And you'll ask yourself
Where is my mind?
Where is my mind?
Where is my mind?
Way out in the water
See it swimming
I was swimming in the Caribbean
Animals were hiding behind the rock
Except the little fish
Bump into me, swear he's
Tryin' a talk to me, say wait wait
Where is my mind?
Where is my mind?
Where is my mind?
Way out in the water
See it swimming
With your feet on the air and your head on the ground
Try this trick and spin it, yeah
Your head will collapse
If there's nothing in it
And you'll ask yourself
Where is my mind CHAaqaaaaaa?
Where is my mind?
Where is my mind?
Way out in the water
See it swimming
Ooh chaqa
With your feet on the air and your head on the ground
Try this trick and spin it, yeah
Ooh
Ooh
Ooh
Ooh C
OohHA
Q
A

[Chaqa]

acknowledging brain’s very interesting and cool wall post which I will read in detail over lunch and pontificate about before presumably dying in 4hrs

It makes me want to yeet brainbomb deep into the fires of Mount Doom.

He's back in my PoE.

idk his paragraph on you is pretty charitable and resonated with me

maybe I’m being too soft, but maybe you’re seeing red a bit

You like him saying he was fascinated to see town implode when he was the driving force behind it?

That screams scummy to me. I don't know.

Maybe it's coupled with the unfounded personal insults he sent my way yesterday, but I find his entire revisionist history of Day 4 to be

[Chaqa]

unless you see bona trying to tie it as pro town and thus I am solely the one to blame for sabi dying. we can entertain that dialogue if you want

It's not just about the final votes. It's about many of us having spent a lot of time and energy on narrowing down the pool to like 4-5 players and you being contrarian about it and pushing on Sabi and Demon.

I was quite happy when you came back to Flum near EOD but then we wound up yeeting Sabi anyway. I don't know what to make of it, but I think scum is absolutely thrilled by how much focus was lost.

[Chaqa]

It just quite feels like any stance I take must as a rule be met with vehement and vicious rebuttal on any issue, going back several games. That no one respects or cares about my reads, even when I feel i've been on a stretch of very good performances going back to M55.

[brainbomb]

Scumreads: Maniac, Sabi, and someone out of Worcej, Bona, Damo.

Possibly also the Ghug slot.

My N1 scan was Maniac, who is guilty. Didn't expect Eden to cover for me quite that well.

If I die, kill every living thing on the surface of the Earth.

I would love to hear more from Jamie about these scum reads. I'm most curious about the Damo scum read.

If you look through Jamie's mentions of Damo:
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... =damo&g=73

[post goes on...]

Gonna bump my question for Jamie about how he arrived at these scum reads.

Sort of feels like pyxxy is taken aback by seeing Jamie include damo as a scumread but he doesnt say a whole lot about why. Scum kills damo the next night and janitors him so at the very least scum thinks damo is a PR. This feels like pyxxy using the mafias perspective on damo to ask why Jamie could possibly be thinking damo is scum in hopes that he can fish for more clarity on what makes damo a potential miskill or if there is some go both ways reasoning pyxxy can rely on that is something PR damo would do that maybe Jamie mistakenly sees as what Scum damo might do.

Maybe imaginative on my part but certainly feels like something borne out of scum chat saying hey yall we gotta kill damo next

[President Eden]

I mean if he just rattled that off the top of his head without rereading then it’s not really revisionist history is it?

It’s a pedantic point admittedly but “revisionist” suggests he intentionally spun what happened to fit a new agenda, whereas I think whatever errors he’s made are faulty memory or personal bias.

I know that’s some “it was real in my mind” level shit but I can totally see all that coming from town brain.

I specifically think his observation that you were not entirely clear how to finish the day being town revealing of you is very on point

[brainbomb]

It makes me want to yeet brainbomb deep into the fires of Mount Doom.

He's back in my PoE.

idk his paragraph on you is pretty charitable and resonated with me

maybe I’m being too soft, but maybe you’re seeing red a bit

You like him saying he was fascinated to see town implode when he was the driving force behind it?

That screams scummy to me. I don't know.

Maybe it's coupled with the unfounded personal insults he sent my way yesterday, but I find his entire revisionist history of Day 4 to be

so when advised not to continue discussing council drama youve decided its now a key peice of evidence. That I fabricated your behavior on the council to futher push you as a scumread, and that I would do this out of total malice and desire to destroy the entire mafia game.

Alright, well a council member is telling me that my reason for leaving the council is revisionist history, and then is using my said reason for leaving the council as a key peice of evidence to say that I am also now revising how the day went because I am scum and that it was all concocted out of evil purposes.

I guess since this goes against what dargorygel asked I am unable to discuss how you conduct yourself on the council or how it made me feel or how the council disfunctions in general. So I will just let you win this argument since youve decided to take it here

[Chaqa]

I mean if he just rattled that off the top of his head without rereading then it’s not really revisionist history is it?

It’s a pedantic point admittedly but “revisionist” suggests he intentionally spun what happened to fit a new agenda, whereas I think whatever errors he’s made are faulty memory or personal bias.

I know that’s some “it was real in my mind” level shit but I can totally see all that coming from town brain.

I specifically think his observation that you were not entirely clear how to finish the day being town revealing of you is very on point

What do you mean not knowing how to finish the day?

I thought we should finish the day on Flum. I don't think that was unclear at all?

Partially I had to make a devil's choice between Sabi and RHK, which in the end I would have gone with RHK. Unfortunately Sabi's wagon pulled ahead.

[Fluminator]

It just quite feels like any stance I take must as a rule be met with vehement and vicious rebuttal on any issue, going back several games. That no one respects or cares about my reads, even when I feel i've been on a stretch of very good performances going back to M55.

If you had your way with Blamp, he would have been yeeted out here without discussion before towning up and allowing discussion. It's not about you having scumreads, it's how you push them.

You often have good reads (not every time, but more often then not tbh) and I've lauded you for that before. It's the way you push them and bullhorn your way through is inherently scummy and you've literally used that as a scum tactic as well so very suspicious.

If you are the doc, this is the second game where you've had to reveal yourself as PR to stop suspicion when it easily could have been avoided if you switched your approach imo.

Like do you at least admit you're approach to yeet Blamp was probably wrong?

[brainbomb]

It just quite feels like any stance I take must as a rule be met with vehement and vicious rebuttal on any issue, going back several games. That no one respects or cares about my reads, even when I feel i've been on a stretch of very good performances going back to M55.

no once again you must win any argument. you never have any internal or moral compass about even the slightest consideration you might just be wrong. Which was the entire reason our war began was its always your way or else.

And then when finally I have agreed to just let you have the game BE your way youve decided I am scum for doing so, and have launched a campaign for my head because I have adjusted my view of the game to be more reasonable.

I am fully capable of bringing myself back into the game as town chaqa. This is not a stage. The fact I blew up on you is because youre a fucking annoying exacting personality. You MUST have it be your way. Everything MUST go how you want it to go. And its exhausting and obnoxious. It leaves no room for anything but you and your enormously oversized sense of self satisfaction

[brainbomb]

I mean if he just rattled that off the top of his head without rereading then it’s not really revisionist history is it?

It’s a pedantic point admittedly but “revisionist” suggests he intentionally spun what happened to fit a new agenda, whereas I think whatever errors he’s made are faulty memory or personal bias.

I know that’s some “it was real in my mind” level shit but I can totally see all that coming from town brain.

I specifically think his observation that you were not entirely clear how to finish the day being town revealing of you is very on point

What do you mean not knowing how to finish the day?

I thought we should finish the day on Flum. I don't think that was unclear at all?

Partially I had to make a devil's choice between Sabi and RHK, which in the end I would have gone with RHK. Unfortunately Sabi's wagon pulled ahead.

you waivered on flum several times. this is not even true at all. You were rife with half measures as the day drew to a close and where was the extra votes going to come from. What new efforts were made to get flum killed and how do you sincerely feel like you put all you had into doing this?