M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

alright sorry pyxxy maybe next time

let’s ride clown boy

##VOTE DemonRHK

[brainbomb]

back when I was arguing maniac was town you were crediting me for doing so and saying ghug looked scummy for using false evaluating tactics. you then proceed to know jamie is lying and that maniac will flip vt before it even happened

[bozotheclown]

bozo: BusinessLamp, RHK, Sabi, worcej
Jamie: BusinessLamp, Sabi, worcej, RHK
RHK: BusinessLamp, Fluminator, Sabi, rdrivera
Bonatogether: BusinessLamp, bozo, RHK, rdrivera
Sabi: BusinessLamp, rdrivera, RHK, worcej
Chaqa: BusinessLamp, Fluminator, rdrivera, worcej
brainbomb: PE, Bona, Fluminator, Sabi
PE: Fluminator, RHK, worcej, rdrivera
BusinessLamp: Chaqa, Sabi, BusinessLamp, Bona

[President Eden]

back when I was arguing maniac was town you were crediting me for doing so and saying ghug looked scummy for using false evaluating tactics. you then proceed to know jamie is lying and that maniac will flip vt before it even happened

I don’t remember claiming to know Maniac would flip VT before it happened. I obviously figured out what was happening a bit earlier than the rest but that’s entirely due to lucking into Cop role and not out of any special sleuthing on my part.
and I spent a LONG time thinking about Jamie’s play because I was puzzled by it regardless of his alignment

[BusinessLamp]

@bozo u listed mine as me and not flum lol
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I was in the shower as the worcej wagon developed, and my gut reaction to it was that Chaqa’s entire play today makes sense if taken from a Chaqa/Sabi or Chaqa/Flum scum team perspective, including this push onto worcej. He was trying to hammer home a vote on me with votes on them the next rounds. But once I flip town, he has the complete ability to be like “omg i was tunneled let me rethink my whole mindset” and not actually follow through, which he already kind of foreshadowed with his “Blamp is obvscum to me and I am tunnelled” post. I’m going to spend the rest of my time in the next hour elucidating why Chaqa’s moves all make sense from a scum perspective. I don’t expect him to be voted today but I think if I go out that’s the main unique value point I can offer, because I think I get his playstyle.

[President Eden]

bozo: BusinessLamp, RHK, Sabi, worcej
Jamie: BusinessLamp, Sabi, worcej, RHK
RHK: BusinessLamp, Fluminator, Sabi, rdrivera
Bonatogether: BusinessLamp, bozo, RHK, rdrivera
Sabi: BusinessLamp, rdrivera, RHK, worcej
Chaqa: BusinessLamp, Fluminator, rdrivera, worcej
brainbomb: PE, Bona, Fluminator, Sabi
PE: Fluminator, RHK, worcej, rdrivera
BusinessLamp: Chaqa, Sabi, BusinessLamp, Bona

hol up…

[brainbomb]

lmfao what

[brainbomb]

back when I was arguing maniac was town you were crediting me for doing so and saying ghug looked scummy for using false evaluating tactics. you then proceed to know jamie is lying and that maniac will flip vt before it even happened

I don’t remember claiming to know Maniac would flip VT before it happened. I obviously figured out what was happening a bit earlier than the rest but that’s entirely due to lucking into Cop role and not out of any special sleuthing on my part.
and I spent a LONG time thinking about Jamie’s play because I was puzzled by it regardless of his alignment

it felt like you jumped the gun on knowing exactly what had happened before anyone shouldve had such an inkling

[Fluminator]

When TFB and Celaph were the top two wagons on Day 1 (not Day 2) was it looking really certain one of them would be killed?

Because I notice Demon doesn't vote Celaph until after those two wagons are tied at the top.

[brainbomb]

I’m going to do some VCA based on both Maniac scenarios.

FWIW I think Jamie is basically 100% guilty of Maniac is actually VT, so I think we should keep that in mind if we do decide Maniac is VT

[bozotheclown]

bozo: BusinessLamp, RHK, Sabi, worcej
Jamie: BusinessLamp, Sabi, worcej, RHK
RHK: BusinessLamp, Fluminator, Sabi, rdrivera
Bonatogether: BusinessLamp, bozo, RHK, rdrivera
Sabi: BusinessLamp, rdrivera, RHK, worcej
Chaqa: BusinessLamp, Fluminator, rdrivera, worcej
brainbomb: PE, Bona, Fluminator, Sabi
PE: Fluminator, RHK, worcej, rdrivera
rdrivera: Fluminator, Sabi, RHK, BusinessLamp
BusinessLamp: Chaqa, Sabi, BusinessLamp, Bona

We are just missing Fluminator, pyxxy, and worcej. The last time Fluminator ignored my survey he was mafia (and he was on my mafia team).

[brainbomb]

the thing is that quite frankly I think Maniac makes perfect sense as VT…

it’s just kind of an odd choice to me to choose to flip as a VT. aside from masking the number of remaining mafia (which has very little value IMO), this doesn’t do much; you can’t make any plays to bait PRs, you can’t flip as a Cop-countering role to further disrupt scans, it just kinda lacks inherent utility FMPOV.

pre flip

[Jamiet99uk]

am I really the only naysayer on Lamp rn

Every time I check in your read on him seems to have changed.

[bozotheclown]

bozo: BusinessLamp, RHK, Sabi, worcej
Jamie: BusinessLamp, Sabi, worcej, RHK
RHK: BusinessLamp, Fluminator, Sabi, rdrivera
Bonatogether: BusinessLamp, bozo, RHK, rdrivera
Sabi: BusinessLamp, rdrivera, RHK, worcej
Chaqa: BusinessLamp, Fluminator, rdrivera, worcej
brainbomb: PE, Bona, Fluminator, Sabi
PE: Fluminator, RHK, worcej, rdrivera
rdrivera: Fluminator, Sabi, RHK, BusinessLamp
BusinessLamp: Chaqa, Sabi, Fluminator, Bona

[Chaqa]

When TFB and Celaph were the top two wagons on Day 1 (not Day 2) was it looking really certain one of them would be killed?

Because I notice Demon doesn't vote Celaph until after those two wagons are tied at the top.

Hmm.

My first instinct says scum!Demon would prioritize saving the Godfather there, but maybe he viewed celaph as a lost cause? Possible

[bozotheclown]

@bozo u listed mine as me and not flum lol
----
I was in the shower as the worcej wagon developed, and my gut reaction to it was that Chaqa’s entire play today makes sense if taken from a Chaqa/Sabi or Chaqa/Flum scum team perspective, including this push onto worcej. He was trying to hammer home a vote on me with votes on them the next rounds. But once I flip town, he has the complete ability to be like “omg i was tunneled let me rethink my whole mindset” and not actually follow through, which he already kind of foreshadowed with his “Blamp is obvscum to me and I am tunnelled” post. I’m going to spend the rest of my time in the next hour elucidating why Chaqa’s moves all make sense from a scum perspective. I don’t expect him to be voted today but I think if I go out that’s the main unique value point I can offer, because I think I get his playstyle.

sorry

[Chaqa]

Flum, care to give us your top 4?

Ditto for pyxxy and worc, if you're around.

[bozotheclown]

bozo: BusinessLamp, RHK, Sabi, worcej
Jamie: BusinessLamp, Sabi, worcej, RHK
RHK: BusinessLamp, Fluminator, Sabi, rdrivera
Bonatogether: BusinessLamp, bozo, RHK, rdrivera
Sabi: BusinessLamp, rdrivera, RHK, worcej
Chaqa: BusinessLamp, Fluminator, rdrivera, worcej
brainbomb: PE, Bona, Fluminator, Sabi
PE: Fluminator, RHK, worcej, rdrivera
BusinessLamp: Chaqa, Sabi, BusinessLamp, Bona

hol up…

Sorry, poor editing.

[Fluminator]

I'll answer Bozo's survey if he tells me if he's over or under the age of 40

[pyxxy]

pyxxy: Flum, rdrivera, RHK, worcej
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I don't feel confident about my list. I feel like I have reasons to town lean almost everyone.

Re: ghuginator, I'm moving towards a place where I still believe that the argument was real, but that it's NAI.

Re: RDR, same as what I said in worcej ISO post

Re: RHK, I'm moved by the arguments that he's being angry at people who vote for him, even if that's his town tendency.

Re: worcej, because maybe my town read is wrong? This is more because I needed a 4th person to have a top 4 :/

alright sorry pyxxy maybe next time

let’s ride clown boy

##VOTE DemonRHK

That's alright, here, let me return the sheep.

##VOTE DemonRHK