M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BesharamSabi]

<snip snip> eden broke webdip
Sabi is not in my don’t kill list so I’m not sure what you mean lol.

That is true but also you should waste a day kill on town when there isn't much time left.

[pyxxy]

if I’m honest my vote is mostly because (1) Sabi can still be mafia here, and (2) I’m kind of lost as to what else to do. don’t really feel like yeeting lurkers. and I’m feeling considerably less confident that either Lamp or Flum is mafia. so it’s kind of just Demon or Sabi that are in my pool. (I guess pyxxy? but not feeling that either)

Might I recommend ISOing worcej?

...okay okay fine, I'll ISO worcej. There's a tl;dr at the bottom of this post.

1) I wasn't getting good vibes from his D4 posts.

Honestly I think the POE pooling is smart, just curious what determines the applicability for each person.

For the most part, Eden and Chaqa’s list are close - I just think Flum is in POE and Jamie is blue in my eyes.

I guess I should say my comment there applies to Chaqa’s - I just noticed Eden has sabi as green and they are for sure blue to me.

RGB 1.2

What makes Chaqa, BB, and Bona green?

If it’s based on your reads, I say that they should be blue and not explicitly green.

[...]
that said, do you think you shouldn’t be in it, or that other people should be further ahead of you in it? if so, why? if not… why not?

I don’t think I shouldn’t be in POE - I am just more interested what is separating it.

I am of course in the POE because I am not you, bozo, or Jamie - but I guess I am a little flabbergasted that I am lower than others who defended known scum know several times while I was 100% onboard with flipping celaph since subbing in and now just need to start analyzing TFB to find some more potential connections.

He likes the idea of pooling...but then does everything he can to widen the pool? Why? Isn't the point to try and feel as confident as possible about as small a pool of POE as possible?

Why not just go do the TFB research that he promised and come back with it, preferably with enough day time left for us to engage with it?

2) I didn't like how he goes about self-referencing himself wanting to flip Celaph...until I re-read his ISO for the entire game.

"I guess I am a little flabbergasted that I am lower than others who defended known scum know several times while I was 100% onboard with flipping celaph since subbing in"

[ed note: some VCA that I removed, but that you as a town should go review!]

A celaph info flip grows in merit. If celaph is in fact scum, there is a small group of people who would fit the 'saving my teammate'. If celaph is town, then at least we know we're all a bunch of idiots.

Do me a favour and list it out considering you have already done the work.

What can we infer about who as a result of the following:

a) celaph scumflip
b) celaph townflip
c) TFB scumslip
d) TFB townslip ?

TIA.

a) Jamie/Blamp/Sabi > Maniac > TFB >>>> bozo in likelihood to be scum.
b) Chaqa/Demon become hard-lock town for me. BB gets a stronge town read.

I assume you mean flip for c and d? I'll proceed with that:
c) Sabi looks the worst and comes off as trying to save teammate. Maniac/Demon/Chaqa look bad, but there is easier town logic to justify their moves.
d) I don't see anything gained by a town flip of TFB.

Anyways, ##vote celaph

^This analysis still rings true with things discussed today on D4. We talked about if TFB was buddying Sabi, and then possibly trying to drag them down with himself.

As it stands, Celaph is not going to be flipped today either.

This is unfortunately true.

I am null, but personally biased towards being fine with his death, towards TFB.

^The votes when worcej posted this were:
7 TFB, 5 cel, 3 Man, 1 pyx (I love you too Chaqa!)
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/vote_tracker?g=73&day=2

So if this is scum!worcej, he's actively double bussing two scum teammates and this is D2 so mafia hasn't even been able to use Janitor/TFB yet! This would be an incredible show of patience from scum

And we would then have to assume that scum's N1 plan resulted in them all actively trying to bus both Celaph and TFB on D2?

Which has been thrown out before as a theory iirc but I don't think we've considered it remotely possible for one individual scum to be bussing both Celaph and TFB.

We figured, thinking about what we would do if we were mafia, that the mafia would decide to put some bussers on Celaph and other bussers on TFB, to avoid accidentally dragging down the whole team if town goes whole hog on TFB votes or something like that.

Haven't checked the bot but I knew there was a three way tie between Maniac vs celaph vs tfb.

What, or should I specify who, caused everyone to jump ship from Maniac on to celaph?

I think the best credit goes to Chaqa in this case.

My plan was to hold onto my celaph vote until 00:02 and then was going to move to prevent a tie.

^worcej talking about moving from OMGUS'ing Jamie to voting Celaph around 4-5 hours left on D2. Maybe he just voted earlier because it looked like TFB was going down? Idk. This all reads as town leaning to me.

tl;dr:
I felt like worcej was being weird today (D4), so I was gonna write a post about how worcej feels sus to me, but after dropping an hour+ into rereading his ISO, I actually like how he looks over time.

I feel like people started to care more once there were votes on the table. Let me add mine.

By the logic Bona listed out here:

bona's adventures with a spreadsheet: volume 4, without a spreadsheet worth anything once again.

tl;dr:
sabi is town who scum want in the endgame
scum wanted kak to die on d1 from around t-4 hours
maniac gud
the cej and bozo look better
ghuginator looks much better
1 scum in the cej, rdr, ghuginator, and pyxxy
there is a deep scum.

I'm not going to vote for myself. I'm not a weirdo.

I still town read ghug from the Eden interaction.

I've just townread worcej in this post.

That leaves only one option (for me).

##VOTE rdrivera2005

[BesharamSabi]

if I’m honest my vote is mostly because (1) Sabi can still be mafia here, and (2) I’m kind of lost as to what else to do. don’t really feel like yeeting lurkers. and I’m feeling considerably less confident that either Lamp or Flum is mafia. so it’s kind of just Demon or Sabi that are in my pool. (I guess pyxxy? but not feeling that either)

Might I recommend ISOing worcej?

...okay okay fine, I'll ISO worcej. There's a tl;dr at the bottom of this post.

<snip snip>

I'm not going to vote for myself. I'm not a weirdo.

I still town read ghug from the Eden interaction.

I've just townread worcej in this post.

That leaves only one option (for me).

##VOTE rdrivera2005

Thank you pyxxy for this post. I do agree that worcej does look better after reading this iso post of him.

http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 98#p293898

Which kinda goes along with the theory that mafia never thought eden was the JOAT

[President Eden]

##VOTE DemonRHK

[President Eden]

tempted to put pyxxy in the green.

unsure if I endorse all the conclusions but that last post ISOing worcej was super townie.

[Bonatogether]

im using this game as an example of inductive reasoning for an english assignment

specifically the celaph kill

doing some rereading for it

[brainbomb]

@businesslamp what was that whole
thing you said you caught
pyxxy lying about?

[Chaqa]

I am pretty certain Sabi is town.

I might vote Demon. Maybe.

Blamp is my #1 choice and tbh the only valid choice for today in my mind

Do you think that messages to QT are just faked?

I wouldn’t put it past anyone in this game. We’re diplomacy and mafia players.

[President Eden]

I am pretty certain Sabi is town.

I might vote Demon. Maybe.

Blamp is my #1 choice and tbh the only valid choice for today in my mind

Do you think that messages to QT are just faked?

I wouldn’t put it past anyone in this game. We’re diplomacy and mafia players.

no one asked if it was possible to fake. the question is if you think it WAS faked.

this is not a minor distinction as Lamp is plainly town if it’s not faked.

[brainbomb]

notably, I have seven people in a POE pool now, but the max size needs to be six. this is obviously an issue, but one which I hope we’ll collectively be able to resolve as people begin to obvtown more in the presence of more information allowing them to solve the game.

this is a less than subtle invitation.

Like…I’m the only person on celaph D1 who doesn’t get a pass.

Not sure what you’re wanting. Brain is fabricating shot so he had a reason to scumread me. Which is sop for brain when he doesn’t have an actual case to make.

Of course, I’m rea fuckin biased, cause it’s me it’s happening to.

What is being said here I dont understand half of this

[brainbomb]

sop?

[President Eden]

Standard Operating Procedure

[pyxxy]

@businesslamp what was that whole
thing you said you caught
pyxxy lying about?

In case business is offline again, it starts here:

Combine this with:

why is boat a good wagon? you drop this in and never mention him again. agreeing with the only person pushing you as scum on their other option seems a strange instinct

It's because I agreed with your opinion on TFB's post here, blamp:

this is honestly really salient to me lol this TFB post is weird af

this is blatantly false. TFB's post happened 5 pages after yours, don't fake reasoning.

##vote pyxxy

[brainbomb]

So hes saying I made no actual case on him and that its standard operating procedure for me to do that?

I thought I made a pretty detailed well rounded case which had multiple key points

[President Eden]

So hes saying I made no actual case on him and that its standard operating procedure for me to do that?

I thought I made a pretty detailed well rounded case which had multiple key points

that’s what he’s saying.

personally I agree with you, I can see why he’d be annoyed by being suspected a bit out of nowhere FMPOV but I don’t feel you fabricated anything.

[pyxxy]

@businesslamp what was that whole
thing you said you caught
pyxxy lying about?

And then it wraps up around here:

Reading blamp day 2,

I don't understand why he went from "brainbomb accept pyxxy as towncore" at start of day 2 to being like "daddy brain we need to vote out pyxxy" by end of D2.

All over +1ing posts?

This seems like a wild escalation.

In b4 Bona ask me what is the scum motivation for this.

i said dad not daddy. this is important distinction LOL plz

my heat on pyxxy was escalated to an extra degree in efforts to put pressure on someone new who might have a more telling reaction if it seems like they're very obviously caught. I tried to make my tone in that interaction as authoritative as possible in order to elicit the biggest response from pyxxy to get the most info. His response was pretty emotional, and I'm hoping someone smarter than me can tell me what to think of it LOL.

and you saying it's all over +1'ing posts is a misrepresentation. My pressure on pyxxy came from what I directly cite in all of those posts, him attributing false reasoning to supporting a TFB wagon. You should know this since you're apparently looking at every single one of my posts trying to nitpick reasons why I'm scum rn

[brainbomb]

thanks pyxxy its a little odd that you are helping him reiterate his case for him but thats nice of you

[BesharamSabi]

JFC

I almost wish i WAS scum so I could sub out and my team would win for free.

Fine. Fuck it.

##Unend
##Vote Eden

Is demon defeatist when he's pressured? Because today wasn't the first time that he acted defeatist when pressured.

This was during D1 when eden was on his neck.

[brainbomb]

JFC

I almost wish i WAS scum so I could sub out and my team would win for free.

Fine. Fuck it.

##Unend
##Vote Eden

Is demon defeatist when he's pressured? Because today wasn't the first time that he acted defeatist when pressured.

This was during D1 when eden was on his neck.

reactivity is not alignment indicative for demonrhk

[BesharamSabi]

JFC

I almost wish i WAS scum so I could sub out and my team would win for free.

Fine. Fuck it.

##Unend
##Vote Eden

Is demon defeatist when he's pressured? Because today wasn't the first time that he acted defeatist when pressured.

This was during D1 when eden was on his neck.

reactivity is not alignment indicative for demonrhk

AH OK I won't waste my time on that