M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[President Eden]

we aren’t out to get you. never have been never will be. mafia involves politicking to some degree but it’s a game of deduction, of identifying your enemies but most of all your allies, and working together to get to the solution. it’s not a game where you set out to grief people for the lulz.

if you’re mafia and self-voting then gg bold strategy I guess.

if you’re town cut it the fuck out.

[BusinessLamp]

if I’m honest my vote is mostly because (1) Sabi can still be mafia here, and (2) I’m kind of lost as to what else to do. don’t really feel like yeeting lurkers. and I’m feeling considerably less confident that either Lamp or Flum is mafia. so it’s kind of just Demon or Sabi that are in my pool. (I guess pyxxy? but not feeling that either)

Have you articulated why you feel better about flum?

[President Eden]

if I’m honest my vote is mostly because (1) Sabi can still be mafia here, and (2) I’m kind of lost as to what else to do. don’t really feel like yeeting lurkers. and I’m feeling considerably less confident that either Lamp or Flum is mafia. so it’s kind of just Demon or Sabi that are in my pool. (I guess pyxxy? but not feeling that either)

Have you articulated why you feel better about flum?

not clearly or persuasively

he had an easily faked post where he thanked me for not shooting him last night, meaning for me to believe that he thought I was the JOAT. because I was roleblocked last night, mafia should never think I was the JOAT. there is literally zero reason to believe that he didn’t fake it, but I believe he didn’t fake it anyway, so here I am.

I also looked back at ghug’s interactions with TFB and thought that they didn’t look like teammates. ghug needles TFB rather incisively at a couple of points, particularly in an exchange where TFB acts like it would be dumb for him to have tried to save celaph D1 and then bus celaph D2, and ghug goes “yea you decided after you got to talk to your teammates that celaph was screwed and needed to be bussed”

ghug can do that as mafia but I don’t think he actually does. ghug will distance as he needs to distance, but from my recollection, ghug stays focused on the team’s goal, which means that even if he COULD put some heat on TFB in a way that looks townie for him, he’s probably not actually GOING to do it.

so basically a pile of “ghug/Flum totally could have done XYZ as mafia, but I doubt they actually did” lol. helpful I know...

[BusinessLamp]

appreciate the explanation re: Flum and JOAT

ghug can do that as mafia but I don’t think he actually does. ghug will distance as he needs to distance, but from my recollection, ghug stays focused on the team’s goal, which means that even if he COULD put some heat on TFB in a way that looks townie for him, he’s probably not actually GOING to do it.

for this, the thing that gets me is that ghug was advocating for the maniac wagon, and then also tried switching to Chaqa. So that reads to me as him potentially being a team player as scum, in the way that you say.

[worcej]

like our two leading wagons right now are self voting. come the fuck on people.

A big head scratcher for myself as well…

[President Eden]

appreciate the explanation re: Flum and JOAT

ghug can do that as mafia but I don’t think he actually does. ghug will distance as he needs to distance, but from my recollection, ghug stays focused on the team’s goal, which means that even if he COULD put some heat on TFB in a way that looks townie for him, he’s probably not actually GOING to do it.

for this, the thing that gets me is that ghug was advocating for the maniac wagon, and then also tried switching to Chaqa. So that reads to me as him potentially being a team player as scum, in the way that you say.

that’s certainly true. and while I obviously would think this, I think the issues I took with his start to N2 have merit (whatever one might say about what happened as N2 progressed).

Flum isn’t out of my POE, but I guess I see enough likelihood in his innocence to make me think that town can sort him if we keep engaging with him.

[rdrivera2005]

Well, sorry for being absent most of the day. Finally catched up..

I think Eden did a really good analysis about D2 and I think today should be between Flum, Sabi and Lamp. My POE aso includes Demon and Worcej.

Blamp messages to God thread made me reconsider voting him if Flum isn't a viable wagon.

I think this defeatist Sabi is more likely townie then scum, but it's a good flip anyway as Bona already pointed.

Demon is starting to look like scum Demon and Worcej isn't doing much to keep my initial town read on him on D2.

[brainbomb]

Well, sorry for being absent most of the day. Finally catched up..

I think Eden did a really good analysis about D2 and I think today should be between Flum, Sabi and Lamp. My POE aso includes Demon and Worcej.

Blamp messages to God thread made me reconsider voting him if Flum isn't a viable wagon.

I think this defeatist Sabi is more likely townie then scum, but it's a good flip anyway as Bona already pointed.

Demon is starting to look like scum Demon and Worcej isn't doing much to keep my initial town read on him on D2.

hows chaqa looking?

[brainbomb]

are you just adjusting reads to whatever flavor of the hour happens to be happening?

[BusinessLamp]

are you just adjusting reads to whatever flavor of the hour happens to be happening?

lol right everything about that post is hedged.

##vote rdrivera

[BusinessLamp]

probs gonna sleep am exhausted, will try and come to a conclusion in the morn

[BesharamSabi]

are you just adjusting reads to whatever flavor of the hour happens to be happening?

What does this mean?

Also I guess ##Unvote

[Chaqa]

that said Bona, you had concluded not too long ago that you thought TFB was trying to get Sabi to endgame and win off miskilling them.

what exactly changed in your mind?

cuz like it’s cool that we simultaneously thought to flip over and all but you had made a pretty decent argument for Sabi being town not too long ago

i’m unhappy that sabi is ISOing themselves and posting in thread about it - like I look at my ISO sometimes to remind myself what I said and what I thought was important, but looking at it and saying it’s sus in thread? like what motivation is even going into that

think this is NAI. there’s no mafia or town motivation for it that comes to mind for me. neither side actively wants to highlight all the ways they think their own slot is sus.

if I’m honest my vote is mostly because (1) Sabi can still be mafia here, and (2) I’m kind of lost as to what else to do. don’t really feel like yeeting lurkers. and I’m feeling considerably less confident that either Lamp or Flum is mafia. so it’s kind of just Demon or Sabi that are in my pool. (I guess pyxxy? but not feeling that either)

You’re falling victim to the exact thing you warn us against.

Stay the course. Blamp and Flum are the most likely scum.

[rdrivera2005]

Well, sorry for being absent most of the day. Finally catched up..

I think Eden did a really good analysis about D2 and I think today should be between Flum, Sabi and Lamp. My POE aso includes Demon and Worcej.

Blamp messages to God thread made me reconsider voting him if Flum isn't a viable wagon.

I think this defeatist Sabi is more likely townie then scum, but it's a good flip anyway as Bona already pointed.

Demon is starting to look like scum Demon and Worcej isn't doing much to keep my initial town read on him on D2.

hows chaqa looking?

I think Chaqa is town, the pressure on Celaph D1 and TFB look townie and also the exchange with Eden that lead to the claim. I think scum Chaqa don't play that way.

[Chaqa]

I am pretty certain Sabi is town.

I might vote Demon. Maybe.

Blamp is my #1 choice and tbh the only valid choice for today in my mind

[rdrivera2005]

are you just adjusting reads to whatever flavor of the hour happens to be happening?

lol right everything about that post is hedged.

##vote rdrivera

Why this is hedged? The POE is more or less the same to everybody and I am giving my view on them. And I know I am also in this POE.

Of course, there could be a deep scum between Bona, Brain, Chaqa or even Jamiet, but what's the point on pushing it today? We should try to resolve between this POE first.

[rdrivera2005]

I am pretty certain Sabi is town.

I might vote Demon. Maybe.

Blamp is my #1 choice and tbh the only valid choice for today in my mind

Do you think that messages to QT are just faked?

[President Eden]

I am pretty certain Sabi is town.

I might vote Demon. Maybe.

Blamp is my #1 choice and tbh the only valid choice for today in my mind

please elaborate.

[quote="President Eden" post_id=294916 time=<a href="tel:1646617514">1646617514</a> user_id=115]
[quote=Bonatogether post_id=294913 time=<a href="tel:1646617323">1646617323</a> user_id=11516]
[quote="President Eden" post_id=294908 time=<a href="tel:1646617083">1646617083</a> user_id=115]
that said Bona, you had concluded not too long ago that you thought TFB was trying to get Sabi to endgame and win off miskilling them.

what exactly changed in your mind?

cuz like it’s cool that we simultaneously thought to flip over and all but you had made a pretty decent argument for Sabi being town not too long ago

i’m unhappy that sabi is ISOing themselves and posting in thread about it - like I look at my ISO sometimes to remind myself what I said and what I thought was important, but looking at it and saying it’s sus in thread? like what motivation is even going into that
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think this is NAI. there’s no mafia or town motivation for it that comes to mind for me. neither side actively wants to highlight all the ways they think their own slot is sus.

if I’m honest my vote is mostly because (1) Sabi can still be mafia here, and (2) I’m kind of lost as to what else to do. don’t really feel like yeeting lurkers. and I’m feeling considerably less confident that either Lamp or Flum is mafia. so it’s kind of just Demon or Sabi that are in my pool. (I guess pyxxy? but not feeling that either)
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You’re falling victim to the exact thing you warn us against.

Stay the course. Blamp and Flum are the most likely scum.
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Sabi is not in my don’t kill list so I’m not sure what you mean lol.

[President Eden]

Wtf webdip

[BesharamSabi]

I am pretty certain Sabi is town.

I might vote Demon. Maybe.

Blamp is my #1 choice and tbh the only valid choice for today in my mind

Do you think that messages to QT are just faked?

Flum said it wouldn't be out of blamp arsenal of stuff to do. He could have because around the time of this he was getting pressured about his celaph defending (if I'm remembering the timing of events correctly)