M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BesharamSabi]

##vote sabi

Semi joke but also they’re one in my POE as potential scum still based on the celaph and TFB positions they took.

That's fair and expected

[BusinessLamp]

Lamp, can you explain your stance on worcej for me more?

I wasn’t under the impression that you had worcej in a towncore. prior to you stating as much today, your ISO doesn’t have a lot of references to him one way or another, and at least in reading worcej’s thoughts on Maniac, I don’t see what you’re claiming is the basis of having him in your towncore. namely, you state that the basis of towncoring him is that he was reticent to kill Maniac, but in his last reads given before Jamie’s fake reveal, he had Maniac in a tier to his own just above Jamie, TFB, and Sabi as his most suspicious people.

concededly worcej has been a bit of a blind spot for me all game, so it’s plausible I missed something that would lead you to have that impression. but I definitely did not have the impression that you regarded him as so likely to be innocent, and am surprised to see you specifically appealing to him amongst several other people who I presume constitute your towncore at this point.

it’s mostly just that when he entered I thought his takes were very logical and considerate, and I agreed with most of them. Deciding to trust brain and worcej day 2 was just a call I had to make to give myself any sense of stability lol.but like even on the night before maniac was murdered we were on the same page about what was happening and logic. I haven’t been vocal about my townreads because I’m playing this game closer to the chest, which is prob a mistake.

And the people I’m appealing to aren’t necessarily my towncore but the people who, if they are town, I think would be willing to come to a different conclusion. For example Bona is included there and I don’t really have a read on him.

[BusinessLamp]

there’s nothing illegal about me c/p’ing an earlier god thread submission right? Can give some more clarity at my thoughts after the celaph flip

[worcej]

Lamp, can you explain your stance on worcej for me more?

I wasn’t under the impression that you had worcej in a towncore. prior to you stating as much today, your ISO doesn’t have a lot of references to him one way or another, and at least in reading worcej’s thoughts on Maniac, I don’t see what you’re claiming is the basis of having him in your towncore. namely, you state that the basis of towncoring him is that he was reticent to kill Maniac, but in his last reads given before Jamie’s fake reveal, he had Maniac in a tier to his own just above Jamie, TFB, and Sabi as his most suspicious people.

concededly worcej has been a bit of a blind spot for me all game, so it’s plausible I missed something that would lead you to have that impression. but I definitely did not have the impression that you regarded him as so likely to be innocent, and am surprised to see you specifically appealing to him amongst several other people who I presume constitute your towncore at this point.

it’s mostly just that when he entered I thought his takes were very logical and considerate, and I agreed with most of them. Deciding to trust brain and worcej day 2 was just a call I had to make to give myself any sense of stability lol.but like even on the night before maniac was murdered we were on the same page about what was happening and logic. I haven’t been vocal about my townreads because I’m playing this game closer to the chest, which is prob a mistake.

And the people I’m appealing to aren’t necessarily my towncore but the people who, if they are town, I think would be willing to come to a different conclusion. For example Bona is included there and I don’t really have a read on him.

I want to echo I've been actively trying to be nice with most takes and not attack the person behind them. Trying to take a page out of Damo, Rdr, and bozo's books quite honestly.

I felt more comfortable with Jamie to call him a 'the act of intercourse'-stick when he was being his normal difficult nature earlier.

[Chaqa]

There's vegan milk, vegan bacon, vegan steak

But they are descriptors to override the default of milk, bacon, steak, etc.

Pretty Sus if you ask me

Hot take: being vegan is stupid.

Just stick at vegetarian and stop making more ridiculous artificial food to offset your need to ‘protect animals’

Many animals are hurt in the production of “vegan” foods, like the shrews, worms, and other animals and insects in the ground that are killed or have their habitats/homes destroyed by plows.

There’s really not any way to eat that doesn’t hurt some animals

[worcej]

there’s nothing illegal about me c/p’ing an earlier god thread submission right? Can give some more clarity at my thoughts after the celaph flip

You can copy the text and past it here, but don't do a screenshot or anything.

We have no way of proving or disproving that you said that to a GM during the game.

[President Eden]

there’s nothing illegal about me c/p’ing an earlier god thread submission right? Can give some more clarity at my thoughts after the celaph flip

probably a ##callGM situation but my first reaction is that it’s probably fine. analogous to taking notes. might hold off until they weigh in though.

[Chaqa]

We’re currently 0/2 on #SwingTheSubs. Just saying

[worcej]

But they are descriptors to override the default of milk, bacon, steak, etc.

Pretty Sus if you ask me

Hot take: being vegan is stupid.

Just stick at vegetarian and stop making more ridiculous artificial food to offset your need to ‘protect animals’

Many animals are hurt in the production of “vegan” foods, like the shrews, worms, and other animals and insects in the ground that are killed or have their habitats/homes destroyed by plows.

There’s really not any way to eat that doesn’t hurt some animals

For me It's also the amount of chemicals utilized to try to mimic non-vegan things. Like vegan bacon sounds fucking awful.

I'm ignorant on if there is a dietary reason someone needs to be vegan over vegetarian, but it just seems extra for no real purpose other than to virtue signal.

[President Eden]

We’re currently 0/2 on #SwingTheSubs. Just saying

honestly I’m unclear that there’s any merit to #swingthesubs as a means to catch mafia

[BusinessLamp]

yeah my thought is that since it’s text that could be faked it’s fine.

##CallGM are players able to post alleged god thread submission text (just the text, no image proof or anything).

[BobMcBob]

there’s nothing illegal about me c/p’ing an earlier god thread submission right? Can give some more clarity at my thoughts after the celaph flip

probably a ##callGM situation but my first reaction is that it’s probably fine. analogous to taking notes. might hold off until they weigh in though.

No you must rewrite them entirely, no copy/pasting allowed. That was a joke, the real answer is that as long as you're not screenshotting or anything like that it's fine.

[President Eden]

alright let’s hear them then

[BesharamSabi]

Hot take: being vegan is stupid.

Just stick at vegetarian and stop making more ridiculous artificial food to offset your need to ‘protect animals’

Many animals are hurt in the production of “vegan” foods, like the shrews, worms, and other animals and insects in the ground that are killed or have their habitats/homes destroyed by plows.

There’s really not any way to eat that doesn’t hurt some animals

For me It's also the amount of chemicals utilized to try to mimic non-vegan things. Like vegan bacon sounds fucking awful.

I'm ignorant on if there is a dietary reason someone needs to be vegan over vegetarian, but it just seems extra for no real purpose other than to virtue signal.

Vegan bacon is made of seitan which is just gluten from bread (basically wash dough part of dough but keep the protein part aka gluten). It has existed for many centuries as a non animal form of protein in Asia like tofu. There's nothing artificial or unnatural about it.

Seitan is so good.

[BesharamSabi]

Here's my vegan bacon recipe. It's soooo good

https://www.sunnysidehanne.com/how-to-m ... con-vegan/

[BusinessLamp]

upfront apology to Eden, I was frustrated, but this was written after ghug replaced out:
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God thread submission:
My towncore right now is brainbomb and worcej. those are the infallibles. Given ghug’s last post I feel good moving him there. Bozo and Eden are town as well, probably. At least bozo is. Eden has been playing miserably for the most part and has been very distracting for the town. If those were actual cop softs, he’s not as clever as he thinks he is. He’s the problem in his argument with ghug. It’s just bad. I’m not going to say this in game thread because it won’t result in anything good, but my god is it frustrating. Anyway, thats 5 trusted townspeople. A good place to start out of what, 15 other players now? I’d guess pyxxy is town, too. So that leaves 9 candidates. Bona, Chaqa, and Damo are the most potentially dangerous scum, I think. If I get out and Chaqa is scum, he can probably win this. I think I need to play nice with him until the time is right to maybe build a case, because I think people will write him off when they shouldn’t. This wouldn’t be for many days, but still. Maniac is probably town, too, idk. Jamie/Sabi/[Bona, Chaqa, Damo] seems likely. Who does that leave? TFB, rdr, Demon. Demon I lean town on, he’s been pretty emotional. RDR has made some sense. TFB definitely still a possibility. So Jamie/Sabi/Damo/Chaqa/Bona/TFB. Three scum. Let’s get ‘em!!!

[BusinessLamp]

and then this was midday of the celaph vote:
——

at this point I’m just kind of desperately hoping celaph is town LOL

I’m debating whether it would be smart for me to potentially swing the momentum back to celaph at end of day in order to avoid my own miskill if celaph ends up being scum. Bc I am not personally sure on celaph I just think maniac makes sense to kill first. But if celaph is scum and I don’t swing on celaph then town likely loses a day on me. so it would have to reach a point of contention that I’m the deciding factor on. i am not actually /that/ confident on my maniac guess. but a celaph town flip that I swing onto probably still lets me live, given how much effort I have put in to raise other points of discussion.

I’m considering it all this way because I think letting yourself get daykilled as town is the ultimate failure and gamethrow. So if the game is on a route where that could be the case for me, I want to avoid that. big hmmmm

[BesharamSabi]

upfront apology to Eden, I was frustrated, but this was written after ghug replaced out:
——
God thread submission:
My towncore right now is brainbomb and worcej. those are the infallibles. Given ghug’s last post I feel good moving him there. Bozo and Eden are town as well, probably. At least bozo is. Eden has been playing miserably for the most part and has been very distracting for the town. If those were actual cop softs, he’s not as clever as he thinks he is. He’s the problem in his argument with ghug. It’s just bad. I’m not going to say this in game thread because it won’t result in anything good, but my god is it frustrating. Anyway, thats 5 trusted townspeople. A good place to start out of what, 15 other players now? I’d guess pyxxy is town, too. So that leaves 9 candidates. Bona, Chaqa, and Damo are the most potentially dangerous scum, I think. If I get out and Chaqa is scum, he can probably win this. I think I need to play nice with him until the time is right to maybe build a case, because I think people will write him off when they shouldn’t. This wouldn’t be for many days, but still. Maniac is probably town, too, idk. Jamie/Sabi/[Bona, Chaqa, Damo] seems likely. Who does that leave? TFB, rdr, Demon. Demon I lean town on, he’s been pretty emotional. RDR has made some sense. TFB definitely still a possibility. So Jamie/Sabi/Damo/Chaqa/Bona/TFB. Three scum. Let’s get ‘em!!!

I believe this can't be faked.

[BesharamSabi]

Flum, how does blamp act like when he's the villain role in survivor?

[President Eden]

well it’s probably not faked.

I’m having trouble responding to the substance of it. but I’m inclined to believe it’s a genuine submission to the god thread from a townie.

like it could be faked but… it lines up with what Lamp was saying in the thread at the time