M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BesharamSabi]

also I’m not actually sure that rivera should be null.

with the caveat that it was rivera himself who pointed it out… not really getting theatrical vibes from his interactions with Boat. a little bit of performative behavior on the part of Boat, but nothing from rivera’s side really.

…also…

I’m basing part of my thinking on my conclusion that Maniac was just VT and not Flipper, but given this theory, rivera put his vote on Boat at a fairly crucial juncture in the wagons—about 11 hours out from EOD, when people were starting to get cold feet (myself included) about celaph and looking for a better kill. At this point Maniac isn’t meaningfully in consideration; in fact damo is the #3 wagon, and Maniac has one voter. (apparently me lol! awkward!) rivera was one of a few people who briefly pushed Boat quite a bit over the top.

it’s at this point that Maniac becomes a real counterwagon as consolidation occurs, and then Maniac and Boat are the two big wagons, with celaph a more distant third, before an EOD consolidation upon celaph swings him out in front for the kill.

the wagon dynamic there suggests to me that the mafia had conceded that celaph would die and didn’t come into the day trying to save him, but that once town started to shift interest near the end of D2, and instead Boat ends up on the block, mafia start looking for a third option. the people who start piling up on Maniac at this point are:

- Jamiet99uk
- BusinessLamp
- ghug (now Fluminator)
- Chaqa
- TheFlyingBoat
- BesharamSabi

Jamie, Sabi, and ghug end on Maniac. Chaqa, Boat and Lamp switch over to celaph as it becomes apparent that Maniac isn’t actually going to swing.

given that Boat had not used his Janitor power to this point, I’m strongly inclined to think that apart from celaph (who was a dead man walking and probably just distancing), mafia would have a strong preference not to swing TFB before getting to use his power.

this makes me think that:
(1) rivera isn’t mafia, and
(2) we have some sussy bakas among the six people I named earlier.

I think subsequent behavior exonerates Jamie and Chaqa (more the former). Boat was obviously mafia. So that leaves Lamp, ghug (now Flum), and Sabi.

I mean I already said it was sus I defended and saved tfb from the beginning. I never hid it and was very vocal about me saving tfb. Did he buddy me, yes. Oh whale I have no idea on how to defend myself in this situation. It's DeathLlama8 2.0

[President Eden]

I’m pretty okay with flipping Blamp and then Flum as a matter of fact.

We should determine a process for any PR claims

1. Don’t decide with less than 30 minutes out to speedwagon people who haven’t previously been discussed.

2. If you’re the JOAT or the Doc and either you or someone you know to be innocent is under suspicion, claim with your exonerating info 30 minutes out.

3. If you’re the JOAT or the Doc and either you or someone you know to be innocent only starts to get wagoned with under 30 minutes left, claim with your exonerating info ASAP.

By ensuring people are given enough notice to respond to wagon threats and by picking a set deadline ahead of time for claims to emerge, we can be reasonably certain to thwart any last-minute fakeclaim info that might make us accidentally miskill somebody.

[BesharamSabi]

After the game is over I would like advice on how to deal with the fact that you saved a member of mafia twice.

[BusinessLamp]

Can you give me a summary of the game from you're point of view? Has it been as fun as your last game?

Definitely not as fun as my last game. Last game had the pleasure of impressing everyone, this game has just been an onslaught. I'm playing this game a lot more individualistically, trying to see what edges I can gain and what level of openness to utilize. The fun moments I've had are ones where I'm trying to shake things up and rattle people and try to create information. eg: pushing a Maniac bandwagon, interrogating pyxxy briefly

full summary:
So the game started off rough with me coming in after a super eventful/traumatic night where I lost my keys & phone while out at the bars with Bridget. And then for whatever reason that story was just incessantly questioned and doubted for no reason. That was really annoying. Sabi has a breakdown day 1, claims VT, and it feels fake. I decide not to push it because my best guess for what's happening is they're making some big brain play where they claim VT early to shroud a PR role. My other main suspects day 1 are chaqa and demon. Demon eventually starts acting pretty vitriolic, and before the game I decided that any real emotion someone showcases is going to make me townread them. So my main suspect day 1 was Chaqa, but I wasn't going to be on end of day. Towards the latter half of day one I notice celaph is doing the same sort of buddying to me as they were last game (which I think should point to me being town), and that raises my eyebrows a bit. I can't really be on at the end of the day because an hour before deadline I'm starting a game of Black Widow Brigade (the thing Karen played with RHAP people and sent out the episodes for). 10 minutes before deadline there's a lull in BWB, and I'm able to check the thread and try and catch up. I don't intend to interfere with the wagons, but I see that Chaqa ties the vote at the end. With one minute left I'm refreshing, and I see bozo's vote come in so I latch on that way to ensure that it doesnt tie (which I thought it couldve in the case that someone just saw Chaqa's post and didn't see bozo's). So I vote Kak. People are attributing way too much meaning to this vote.

Day 2 everyone was saying it was definitely going to be celaph the whole night etc etc etc. I'm still mildly sus on celaph, but having a 48 hour period where there's just a celaph wagon seems unproductive, so I decide to spend the whole day banging pots and pans for a Maniac wagon. My thought was that Maniac's read on celaph was very much fake and arbitrary, and that if Maniac was indeed scum, that would make celaph look innocent. I'm able to get a couple people on board with this idea, but with celaph and TFB having more solid wagons, it's unlikely that Maniac is actually going to go. So my new idea is that I'll just stay hard campaigning for Maniac until 5 minutes before deadline and then I'll swing over to celaph and see what happens. Brainbomb being adamant about voting celaph cements this idea for me, as brain/worcej were my towncore at the time. Prob still are. Idk. Also during day 2 is a fun moment where I catch pyxxy in a lie, and try to do my best bad cop presentation and see if he will just break. I don't think anything was accomplished from that but it was prob the most fun individual moment all game for me.

Day 3 and on are kind of all a blur for me. After the celaph vote, everyone was saying Maniac next and it was becoming all very groupthink-ish. I didn't think that Maniac was that scummy anymore after celaph's role was revealed, and was preparing to fight back against that wagon the next day. I was sus on Jamie/Sabi/ghug primarily, until ghug subbed out and his last message made me townread him. So going into the next day I would've probably wanted a Jamie vote. But then jamie claims cop with a guilty on Maniac, so I just think I'm wrong and confused and vote Maniac. And then he flips VT and I'm like "ok cool maniac was flipper". because jamie fakeclaiming in that way didn't even occur to me, lol. Seems soooooo unlike him from last game, where he railroaded you for lying. I'm still confused on the hypocrisy there.

And then I kind of check out, fly to LA, start the beginnings of a relationship(?) and now we are here, and I'm apparently being railroaded as scum. I'm hoping it's a large effort by the remaining scum to push my name because they're scared of me, but probably not. I haven't gone back and analyzed anything since the Jamie retract, and the TFB flip, but right now my gut just says to be sus on Sabi and Chaqa. I feel like Chaqa in particular could benefit as scum for getting me out here because I am a very independent thinker, and based on skimming today he seems to be wanting to just railroad through without being questioned. Sabi I've felt weird on all game and have been back and forth 20 times. I start to doubt myself when they have polite responses to my inquiries etc, but idk.

I get why I'm being targeted, because I have been cagier and less open with my every thought this game. But it's still wrong, and right now I'm hoping that some conglomerate of you/me/bona/worcej/brain/bozo will come together and figure out a better direction, because I don't think Eden will change his mind off of me. I'm frustrated because I know that my mafia playstyle would be so radically different than the playstyle I'm being accused of enacting. When I get to play as mafia, I'm going lone wolf. I wouldn't directly throw anyone under the bus, but I certainly wouldn't try to save people or try to associate myself in any way. It'd be my dream to be the last one surviving and solo win it. So when people are accusing me of like "omg he tried to save his teammates by campaigning for Maniac," I just know that it's so inherently wrong. I make a wagon for Maniac as a townie, not as someone whose obvious scum partner is dying that day. Like, what sense does that make?!?!?

And in general the game has just been a slog of personal drama without much levity. But i've still been trying. Been over-fixated at points. yeeeeee

[BesharamSabi]

noting a sabi/tfb potential link in the votes. sabi moving onto celaph to protect TFB and then changing to kak to establish kak as the counterwagon instead of TFB

I have vocalized that at a minimum of twice so far. I have not hidden that. I don't think tfb is scum this game.

Well this is sus of me

[Chaqa]

After the game is over I would like advice on how to deal with the fact that you saved a member of mafia twice.

Who saved whom?

[President Eden]

After the game is over I would like advice on how to deal with the fact that you saved a member of mafia twice.

the short, reductive and not very helpful answer is “don’t defend mafia” lol.

but on some level when you stake out hard positions for the innocence of someone’s position, you accept the risk that you might be wrong. that’s just how the game goes.

in this game you spent a large amount of time reactively suspecting and exonerating people based entirely on how the way they talked about you made you feel, which makes you extremely susceptible both to being buddied by mafia and to having lingering mistrust of townies.

ultimately this is just the natural consequence of a need to refine your hunting game, which will come with experience.

[BesharamSabi]

Don't have time to catch up, will try to before EOD.

I just wanted to say after thinking about it that maybe tfb was buddying/pocketing/whatever the term is me. Unfortunately I'm easy to pocket as ghug/DeathLlama8 have done in my previous town games by trying to make me better at reasoning and what not.

Add in the fact that tfb disappeared but was active on discord last night (which I guess should not be evidence in mafia so this shouldn't be evidence but I just wanted to point that out), maybe tfb isn't in my towncore.

I do need to decide between celaph and boatman and maniac for my vote today. Will need to do a pros and cons about what info/likelihood of scum is between the three.

For now I am #Unvote

Also sus of me

[BesharamSabi]

After the game is over I would like advice on how to deal with the fact that you saved a member of mafia twice.

Who saved whom?

Me saving tfb twice

[BesharamSabi]

I'm going to iso myself and smh at myself

[President Eden]

##VOTE BesharamSabi

is this what you want? because it sounds like this is what you want.

[BusinessLamp]

After the game is over I would like advice on how to deal with the fact that you saved a member of mafia twice.

in this game you spent a large amount of time reactively suspecting and exonerating people based entirely on how the way they talked about you made you feel, which makes you extremely susceptible both to being buddied by mafia and to having lingering mistrust of townies.

see: your vote on me rn

[BesharamSabi]

##VOTE BesharamSabi

is this what you want? because it sounds like this is what you want.

Yea because I'm a weak link and idk how to defend my link with boatman.

[President Eden]

After the game is over I would like advice on how to deal with the fact that you saved a member of mafia twice.

in this game you spent a large amount of time reactively suspecting and exonerating people based entirely on how the way they talked about you made you feel, which makes you extremely susceptible both to being buddied by mafia and to having lingering mistrust of townies.

see: your vote on me rn

my what lol

[BusinessLamp]

sabi's* sorry

[BesharamSabi]

Love how blamp just shows up out of nowhere to throw shade lol

[President Eden]

i’m afraid i’m still confused and ruining what was probably a funny dig with my obliviousness

[BesharamSabi]

i’m afraid i’m still confused and ruining what was probably a funny dig with my obliviousness

What else is new

[BusinessLamp]

idk im annoyed the last pages or whatever have seemed super clique-ish between chaqa/eden/sabi in a way that's unfun

[BesharamSabi]

idk im annoyed the last pages or whatever have seemed super clique-ish between chaqa/eden/sabi in a way that's unfun

I apologize for that. I will keep my out of game banter out of the game.